Mutual Intelligibility

Iryna   Tue May 06, 2008 9:05 am GMT
There are several important languages that are mutual intelligibility.

The most important are the next:


-Hindi, Urdu and Punjabi. Some 800 million people can understand these 3 languages. That is an important advantage of Hindi.

-Spanish, Portuguese (and Italian): Some 800 million people can understand these 3 languages. That is another important advantage of Spanish.

-Belarusian, Russian and Ukrainian: Some 280 million people can understand these 3 languages. That is another important advantage of Russian.

-Indonesian and Malay: Some 250 million people can understand Indonesian in Malaysia, Indonesia, East Timor, Brunei and Singapore.



So, Hindi, Spanish, Russian and Indonesian have an important point. You can understand a lot of people speaking several languages. I do not know if there are other important examples.
Guest   Tue May 06, 2008 9:39 am GMT
in the future, some language will create a supra-comunity of languages the same that countries of europe created EU for be a stronger political and economic region. With the language will happen the same because is the only way to compete with english
Guest   Tue May 06, 2008 9:48 am GMT
"in the future, some language will create a supra-comunity of languages the same that countries of europe created EU for be a stronger political and economic region. With the language will happen the same because is the only way to compete with english "

It is already done since decades with the latin union.

http://www.unilat.org/SG/index.es.asp
Guest   Tue May 06, 2008 9:48 am GMT
Will Romance languages remerge back into one?
Guest2   Tue May 06, 2008 10:20 am GMT
The last one is very easy. Spanish is compulsory subject in Brazil. It is studied (like other languages) in Portugal, France and Italy, but not compulsory. If these 3 countries do it (political issue), the process is finished.
Guest   Tue May 06, 2008 10:40 am GMT
The supposed mutual intellibility of Spanish and Portuguese is greatly exaggerated. Spanish/Portuguese speakers can mutually STRUGGLE through very basic conversations (and usually while speaking very slowly, changing their normal speaking accent, and utilizing lots of hand motions to aid communication), but not much more than that without study. The phonology of both languages is dramatically different.

...and Spanish and Italian are almost not at all mutually intelligible. Too many words, and constructions are TOTALLY different. People need to stop repeating this lie of Spanish/Italian mutual intelligibility.
Guest   Tue May 06, 2008 10:52 am GMT
That depends on your point of view. I speak Spanish and I undestand almost all Portuguese. At the same time, a mixture of English and Spanish is also intelligible with Italians.
Guest   Tue May 06, 2008 10:54 am GMT
Besides, with a little study they can go 5 times further learning Spanish/Portuguese than they could learning a unrelated language.
Guest   Tue May 06, 2008 11:02 am GMT
I live in an Area (Newark NJ), that has alot of Portuguese immigrants, and local hispanics are perplexed by the language they speak, and do not even recognize it at all, and much less understand it.

You'll hear Puertoricans and Dominicans say things like: "What language was that? Was that Russian?"

Portuguese often gets mistaken for some kind of obscure Slavic language by Spanish speakers who have never been exposed to it.
J.C.   Tue May 06, 2008 11:29 am GMT
"The supposed mutual intellibility of Spanish and Portuguese is greatly exaggerated. Spanish/Portuguese speakers can mutually STRUGGLE through very basic conversations (and usually while speaking very slowly, changing their normal speaking accent, and utilizing lots of hand motions to aid communication)"
In my own experience Spanish speakers have more difficulty understanding Portuguese (At least Brazilian Portuguese) than the opposite.
Even before studying Spanish I could understand Spanish almost completely and had to get rid of my regional accent and speak slowly so Spanish speakers can understand.
The reason for that is that Spanish has less phonemes than Portuguese (Doesn't have nasal vowels) and Portuguese doesn't have spaces between words like Spanish. In other words, Spanish is pronounced more clearly than Portuguese and, therefore, easier for Portuguese speakers to understand.
I remember reading a dissertation by Mr. Peter R. Petrucci stating that Portuguese speakers are natural Spanish/Portuguse bilinguals.

Cheers
J.C.   Tue May 06, 2008 11:31 am GMT
"[You'll hear Puertoricans and Dominicans say things like: "What language was that? Was that Russian?" ]"
They're not the only people to say that. Once I was at a store in Osaka and heard two women speaking for a while and at first thought it was Polish and then Russian. When I took the courage to use my broken Russian or Polish I finally realized it was Portuguese!! :)

Ciao!!
Guest   Tue May 06, 2008 8:49 pm GMT
<<I speak Spanish and I undestand almost all Portuguese.>>

I think most people who say this, have studied (either formally or informally), to develop some understanding, and recognize the similarities. Even just having some extended exposure to portuguese passively, is study.

Otherwise it is certainly not obvious, and most people who have never had contact with portuguese won't have the slightest inclination of what a portuguese speaker is saying, and if so, very little.


<<At the same time, a mixture of English and Spanish is also intelligible with Italians.>>

Italian and Spanish are not that closely related, and as a general rule are NOT mutually intelligible at all.
Guest   Tue May 06, 2008 8:54 pm GMT
<<The supposed mutual intellibility of Spanish and Portuguese is greatly exaggerated. Spanish/Portuguese speakers can mutually STRUGGLE through very basic conversations.
>>

I live in Spain close to the Portuguese border and I can assure you that I can maintain normal conversation with Portuguese people speaking in Spanish and they in Portuguese. Take for granted that if an Spanish and a Portuguese meet, they will NEVER use English.
Lino   Tue May 06, 2008 9:09 pm GMT
Sou Portugês e uso Inglês para comunicar com os Espanhóis
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