Do you consider Occitania as fully part of France?

anton   Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:18 pm GMT
Do you consider "secondary" regions (important regions that are usually thought to be outside of the linguistic, historical, economical, political, or demographical "core" as fully part of their respective countries?

Such as Occitania for France, Catalan-area in Spain, lower-German parts of Germany, Padania for italy, south-west USA for USA, Cantonese-speaking areas for China etc?

Or for you the identity of each of these countries integrate both "cultures"/areas at same time?
rep   Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:34 pm GMT
What about Alsace,Lorraine,Brittany,Biarritz area, France Flanders?
Guest   Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:19 pm GMT
Bourdeaux is part of Occitania yet it is a very typical French city, perhaps Roussillon is more Hispanic and Corsica more Italian, but most parts of Occitania are still quite French to me , they don't look odd compared to the rest of France to me. France is quite an homogenous country, it can't be compared to Spain and Italy where indigenous cultures are still well alive.
538273   Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:04 pm GMT
Is the US part of the Pacific Northwest (Washington; Oregon; California to Mt. Shasta; Idaho) fully part of the US?
rep 2   Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:16 pm GMT
La France est multiple par ses régions, ses terroirs,son Histoire, ses langues, ses cultures, ses habitants, seuls les gens étroits d'esprits ne voient de la France que Paris, ses bobo, snob et autres Jean Paul Sartre.
guest guest   Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:25 pm GMT
"Bordeaux is part of Occitania yet it is a very typical French city"

well, not only bordeaux, but most southern french cities have a very specific french look, especially thank to french classical-stone architecture (18th) and haussmanian architecture (19th century)/ This doesn't help them to look like very mediterranean also, both "french" and "mediterranean" are not opposite...

PS: french urban classism has dedelopped itself in Bordeaux before to developp in Paris. In a way the Parisian typical look is of southern french origin, from Occitan areas.

Montpellier
http://www.languedoc-holiday-guide.com/images/montpellier.jpg
http://ville.france.free.fr/montpellier/photos/maxi/montpellier-1279.JPG
http://leportailferroviaire.free.fr/urbain/mtp02.jpg

Marseille
http://www.investissement-immobilier-icf.fr/typo3temp/pics/c721776cc7.jpg
http://www.rue89.com/files/20080916republik2.jpg
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Mar/MarseillePlPrefectureSei.jpg

Aix
http://www.slowtrav.com/blog/wood/King%20Rene.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Aix-_caf%C3%A9_des_deux_gar%C3%A7ons.jpg

Toulon
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/1b/3d/8c/place-de-la-liberte-toulon.jpg

Beziers
http://www.france-voyage.com/visuals/departements/herault/beziers-3.jpg

Avignon
http://www.net-provence.com/villes/avignon/terrasse-avignon.jpg
http://www.france-voyage.com/visuals/photos/vaucluse/preview/avignon-20.jpg
https://www.locr.com/photos/000/7b/4d/7b4d2ba69de877792beaedf333dd3ee1_M.jpg

Nimes
http://blog.cuisine-et-mets.com/wp-content/nimes-jardins-de-la-fontaine-nymphee.jpg
just a message   Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:45 pm GMT
" Do you consider Occitania as fully part of France? "

Of course, but it seem that the "European "greens" " have a different idea, and a different agenda...


http://www.communautarisme.net/docs/carte-europe-regions-Verts-ALE-2004.jpg

for them it seems that "France" is limited to langue d'oil area...
melvin   Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:38 pm GMT
lol, its stupid in Britanny and south France people speak french, look Germany how bigger it would become, how unfair! That looks like a map of Europe if Hitler had won the WW2.
guest guest   Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:33 pm GMT
" lol, its stupid in Britanny and south France people speak french, look Germany how bigger it would become, how unfair! That looks like a map of Europe if Hitler had won the WW2. "


Why is Germany considered as a whole unity? as if there were no difference between high, middle or low German? I understand that today all Germany speak the same language but that is also the case for France in the so-called "occitania"... A name that has never represented a political reality but always been part of France in the same level than the langue d'oil area. Why is the northern part of France just named "France", and why that name is restricted to that part? why the north isn't named "oilia" or such thing...

All this seem politically very pro-german oriented, it is sad it is an official publication of the European union... And it sad the the so-called "European greens" (which has unfortunally not much to see with ecology) had so much sucess in the recent European elections in France... a party lead by Cohn Bendid...
blanc   Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:42 pm GMT
I agree. The USA should not be considered a single country, but rather 50 different countries. Even that is a bit too few, for many counties should also be counted as countries. For example, Orange County is similar to Occitania in a way...
35329   Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:51 am GMT
>> hould also be counted as countries. For example Orange County is similar to Occitania in a way.. <<

How so?
french switzerland   Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:14 pm GMT
<<Why is Germany considered as a whole unity? as if there were no difference between high, middle or low German? I understand that today all Germany speak the same language but that is also the case for France in the so-called "occitania"...>>

I totally agree with you, Germany must be divided in many parts like France in order to be fair.

But I don't think germans people want their country to be divided again, it's the same for frenchs people, italians people etc...

This map is just bullshit, I don't think it's really possible to have this in reality. EU will disappear before.
Grandeur   Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:22 pm GMT
Those maps are all made by the Germans because Germany is always untouched whereas the rest of European countries are badly divided into many parts, LOL. It's pure fantasy but the reality is that France is more homogeneous than the rest of Europe, of course more than Germany and it seems that this provokes envy among some people. Let's hope that Germany splits off into many kingdoms like it was until not a long time ago . It would be much better for Europe.
encore   Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:04 pm GMT
<<Let's hope that Germany splits off into many kingdoms like it was until not a long time ago . It would be much better for Europe. >>
Maybe France will splits off into many kingdoms too? Would it be much better for Europe?
Encore plus   Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:52 pm GMT
"PS: french urban classism has dedelopped itself in Bordeaux before to developp in Paris. In a way the Parisian typical look is of southern french origin, from Occitan areas."

- This is absolute bullshit! In the 18th century he City of Bordeaux hired the King's chief architect (Gabriel) to design the new centre of the town. Bordeaux's classicism was an import from Versailles and Paris.


"Do you consider Occitania as fully part of France?"

- Honestly, not quite. In nearly every country some regions are more loosely related to the national culture than others, especially in nations with a long centralist tradition. Scotland is less British than England, Northern England and the West Country are not English to the same extent than the South-East.