NOBODY IN EUROPE CARES ABOUT SPANISH

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Francesca   Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:12 pm GMT
Spanish is important in the New World. No one is trying to say otherwise.

But Spanish is NOT important in Europe. German and French are much more important, and it will take decades for anything to change. The only progress Spanish can make there in the foreseeable future is to overtake Italian, but even that is uncertain.

This is the real language hierarchy as of today: English, French/German, Italian/Spanish, Japanese, Chinese/Arabic/Russian.

The End.
escéptico   Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:26 pm GMT
Tenés razón. Pero lo que pasa es que Europa se está convirtiendo en una nueva Unión Soviética así que no me sorprendería que el inglés llegara a dominar dentro de poco. Los demás idiomas desaparecerán a nivel internacional, y luego a nivel nacional también. La única solución para que el francés y el alemán sigan siendo importantes es acabar con la Unión Sovieurópea y matar a todo el que la apoye.
The most original name   Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:30 pm GMT
ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,

Spanish is second most studied in France, after English.

Spanish is second most studied in Germany, after English

Spanish is second most studied in UK, after French.

In Italy, Portugal, Sweden, Norway, Belgium or The Netherlands is a cool language and it is very studied.

On the whole, German and French are more studied, but the gap between them and Spanish is much lesser than 10 years ago.

It is true that we don't know which is the future but the tendency of Spanish in Europe is very good
Guest   Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:47 pm GMT
Spanish is already more studied than Italian in Europe, so I don't know why you say "The only progress Spanish can make there in the foreseeable future is to overtake Italian".
lak   Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:40 am GMT
No, it's not.

Italian is more prestigious than Spanish on any day of the week. In Spain herself, Catalan is burgeoning.
Guest   Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:51 am GMT
I can confirm you that in Catalonia (where Spanish is the most spoken language and Catalan second) all people speak a perfect Spanish.

If you think that Italian is more prestigious than Spanish is YOUR opinion.
lak   Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:59 am GMT
No, it's not.

In Catalonia, people outside of Barcelona prefer Catalan. That's a fact. In more rural areas, Spanish isn't even understood.

Italian was the birthplace of fine arts, and most Old Masters were Italian. I'm not even going to mention Opera. Italian Cinema is much better than Spanish cinema. In film schools, there are various classes that study Italian films from various periods, but no classes that cover Spanish Cinema.
Guest   Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:16 am GMT
<<No, it's not.

Italian is more prestigious than Spanish on any day of the week. In Spain herself, Catalan is burgeoning.
>>

You bring subjective opinions because in the field of facts you can't deny what I say. These are Eurobarometer figures:

People who speak Italian in Europe 15% ; native speakers: 13% secondary speakers: 2%

People who speak Spanish in Europe 14% ;native speakers 9% secondary speakers 5%

Spanish is twice more studied than Italian in Europe. According to numbers it does not seem it is so prestigious.
Retards   Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:20 am GMT
Those "secondary speakers" of Spanish are probably the people of Catalonia, hahahahah!
Guest   Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:21 am GMT
You mention Catalan in Spain but in Italy Sicilian, Piedmontese, Venetian, Lombard, Napolitan , Greek, Sardinian and many other languages are alive and kicking.In fact if it wasn't for public schooling where the italians were taught Italian since a century ago, italian would be a dead language.
Guest   Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:22 am GMT
Those "secondary speakers" of Spanish are probably the people of Catalonia, hahahahah!

those secondary speakers of Italian are probably of Venize, Lombardy, Naples, Sicily and Sardinia. hahahaha!
Guest   Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:24 am GMT
<<In more rural areas, Spanish isn't even understood.>>

Yes, it is true. There are a lot of people from Morocco and Romania:)


<<Italian Cinema is much better than Spanish cinema>>


Well, Almodovar don't think the same. If you see the oscars of the last 20 years, Spanish films are at least so important than Italian. Besides, there is a good Latin American filmography nowadays.
Guest   Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:27 am GMT
You forgot the Italian TV, it's the finest Italian art .
Guest   Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:29 am GMT
France is the only European country where Italian has significant secondary speakers (due to the italian migrants) yet Spanish is more studied than italian in France, so figure out ... If Spanish is not important in Europe, Italian is much less (probably on par with maltese).
Marry   Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:32 am GMT
Italian is very popular in Eastern Europe, especially in the Balkans and Russia.
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