disadvantages of a person who is does not speak english well

jc   Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:46 am GMT
what are the disadvantages of a person who is not good in english language?
greg   Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:45 pm GMT
Aucun si cette personne est un Russe vivant en Extramadure, par exemple...
Johnathan Mark   Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:13 am GMT
English speakers, especially Americans perhaps, may subconsciously think of you as less intelligent, and may become easily annoyed by you. This is the result of the complete dominance of English as the language of business and education in the United States.

This is unfortunate, and the remedy for this would be forcing Americans to try to learn a foreign language and then plopping them down in a country where that language is spoken exclusively, so they can realize how hard it is and put themselves in the other persons shoes.
tete de franchouillard   Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:35 am GMT
Look at it this way: there are absolutely no disadvantages of not knowing any French all; consequently, it's probably advantageous.
Brennus   Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:46 am GMT
Re: "what are the disadvantages of a person who is not good in english language? "

In the United States, if you are native born , the main disadvantage to not speaking English well is that people will think you are poorly educated. Even if you get a fabulous job or make lots of money (and many uneducated people surprisingly do) you will still have that cloud over your head.

If you are a foreign born person in the United States who doesn't speak English well, it used to mean that you would probably work in a low paying garment industry, restaurant or food service job for the rest of your life. This doesn't seem to be as true anymore. A diffusion of better translation services along with Affirmative Action and various court rulings have lessened this. Nevertheless, most Americans, and I've said this before on this forum, are still suspicious of people who talk with foreign accents and that is one of the problems you will have to contend with if you speak with one. You can't entirely blame them either. The hard truth is that the United States does have enemies around the world.
Dude Who Knows   Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:17 am GMT
<<English speakers, especially Americans perhaps, may subconsciously think of you as less intelligent, and may become easily annoyed by you.>>

What?! To use an old American expression, that's total B.S.
Boy   Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:32 am GMT
So it means that Americans would not like to hang out with those people who have strong foreign accents because they might consider them as terrorists or enemies. As I understand from the aforementioned post is that, If I have a strong accent that means I am a terrorist or an enemy of the USA.

Very very strange..what kind of logic is that... bad people exist in every country.
Brennus   Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:01 am GMT
Dude Who Knows,

Re:"What?! To use an old American expression, that's total B.S."

It's not enough in a debate - or an argument - to just say stuff like "I believe that..", "I think that..." "I feel that..", "Oh, that's just b.s." etc.

You must be able to prove, or at least illustrate, your point with facts, examples or someone's authoritative opinion . That's the advantage of taking a debate class in high school if your high school happens to offer it. You learn these things.

Of course, some of this was emphasized by my English teachers too when I was in high school and a good English teacher will do this.

In short, you need supporting facts and examples.
Bonnie Zhang   Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:28 pm GMT
I really do NOT take issue with what Brennus says. If that's what he has observed, then he should be free to state his observations without everyone ganging up against him. He might just come from a state in the US where discrimination is more rampant than in, say, the Silicon Valley.

Yes... the Silicon Valley is an example of a place where at least 60% of the decently-paid professionals in the computer/tech industry are first-generation Asian immigrants who really don't speak English that well. They get by because they have brains. BRAINS.

Personally, I repeat, personally, I believe the ability to express oneself logically and grammatically is much more important than accent. Of course, this view might simply be a result of my "native but overseas speaker" education.
greg   Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:55 pm GMT
Brennus : Nevertheless, most Americans, and I've said this before on this forum, are still suspicious of people who talk with foreign accents and that is one of the problems you will have to contend with if you speak with one. You can't entirely blame them either. The hard truth is that the United States does have enemies around the world.

"Raisonnement" hallucinant ! Les ennemis les plus dangereux sont ceux qui n'ont pas d'accent, non ?
one   Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:19 pm GMT
"Yes... the Silicon Valley is an example of a place where at least 60% of the decently-paid professionals in the computer/tech industry are first-generation Asian immigrants who really don't speak English that well. They get by because they have brains. BRAINS."

I perfectly agree with this, but tell me why those people with brains don't go to school to learn better English? Or not neccesary, in my opinion, of one is smart then he/she picks up on the language very easely.
one   Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:27 pm GMT
"English speakers, especially Americans perhaps, may subconsciously think of you as less intelligent"

Mark,

How in the world can you say something like that?
Majority of Americans are not able to learn another language.
Jacques   Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:43 pm GMT
Yes... the Silicon Valley is an example of a place where at least 60% of the decently-paid professionals in the computer/tech industry are first-generation Asian immigrants who really don't speak English that well. They get by because they have brains. BRAINS.


you are wrong..
English is the only one working language there..
vivalafrance   Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:45 pm GMT
Bonnie Zhang Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:28 pm GMT
I really do NOT take issue with what Brennus says. If that's what he has observed, then he should be free to state his observations without everyone ganging up against him. He might just come from a state in the US where discrimination is more rampant than in, say, the Silicon Valley.

if you can not speak english but only mandarin
offcourse you work in US
mandarin is used only in Chinese restaurant or in brothels or as drug mafia..
Guest   Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:00 pm GMT
Brennus said:

<<In short, you need supporting facts and examples. >>

I couldn't agree more. Please provide facts and examples to support this:

<<Nevertheless, most Americans, and I've said this before on this forum, are still suspicious of people who talk with foreign accents >>