Portuguese vs French

Leasnam   Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:43 pm GMT
<<Arabic substratum would mean the peoples who acquired the Latin language in the Iberian peninsula were Arabic speakers. In reality they spoke Celtic languages, possibly an Italic one (Lusitanian), and Iberian. These are substratum. Germanic and Arabic languages are superstratum. >>

Actually, the first part of the above "Arabic substratum would mean the peoples who acquired the Latin language in the Iberian peninsula were Arabic speakers" is correct.

The history of the Iberian Peninsula was
1). Latin imposed over Celtic
2). Arabic imposed over Latin
3). Latin RE-imposed over Arabic

So you are confusing the two Latin-imposition events. Latin in Iberia therefore has 2 separate substrata: one Celtic (initial) and one Arabic (reconquest)
Guest   Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:38 pm GMT
Spanish is the evolution of Latin spoken in Northern Spain, where Arabic was never spoken, so how come can it be substratum?.
Jordan   Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:14 am GMT
Portuguese will by much more important than French in the near future.

I personally think French is a more elegant and beautiful language than Portuguese, but you must keep in mind that Portuguese's speakers aren't mainly in Portugal. They're in Brazil! Portugal's Portuguese speaking population is only 10 million, and Brazil's is 190 million!
god   Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:17 pm GMT
portuguese in portugal is virtually a whole other language from the one in brazil. french is better. fuck portuguese. spanish and portuguese will never be prestigious. they hardly contributed a thing to science and technology. french has, very much. on your resume (which is a french word) french would be more prestigious, considering it's not from a biased portuguese or spanish speaking piece of shit.
reply   Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:52 am GMT
2). Arabic imposed over Latin

huge nonsense:

They spoke mozarabic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozarabic_language
Happy Boy   Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:54 am GMT
FUCK ENGLISH!!! Its so plain and Boring!!
Jordan   Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:17 am GMT
<portuguese in portugal is virtually a whole other language from the one in brazil.>

That is a bit of a stretch. Sure, the pronunciation and some vocabulary is different, but a whole different language? Not so much.
Joao   Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:29 am GMT
french would be more prestigious, considering it's not from a biased portuguese or spanish speaking piece of shit.

Prestigious? What is that? I guess Frogs are really nervous because French is becoming the third Romance language.
Joaquim   Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:52 am GMT
<< french would be more prestigious, considering it's not from a biased portuguese or spanish speaking piece of shit.

Prestigious? What is that? I guess Frogs are really nervous because French is becoming the third Romance language. >>

Listen FLY, just when did Spanish become the primary Romance language? NEVER!

As you can see in many product labels English comes first French usually comes second. Sometimes German but not that often. Spanish comes after English, French, German, Italian, and sometimes behind Dutch. It's ahead of Russian, Portuguese, Scandinavian languages, Chinese, Japanese and definitely ahead of Hindi all the time.
Guest   Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:00 am GMT
"when did Spanish become the primary Romance language? NEVER!"


Ohhh!

Don't worry, I give you some webs:

Spanish, the second most studied language worldwide
http://vivirlatino.com/2007/04/27/spanish-second-most-studied-language-worldwide.php

Spanish, second world language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_language

Spanish, third language in Internet, after English and Chinese
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats7.htm

Spanish, second Western language in the Economic field
http://www.steinke-institut.de/sprachenundwirtschaft.htm

PD. It is a question of time to become the third Romance language. Portuguese is now more spoken than French and in my opinion more important.
Guest   Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:11 am GMT
Visitor, You say that French is big scientific language.

Oh la la! That is NOT true.



English is the most important scientific language Worldwide (United States, UK, Canada, etc)

The second is Japanese and the third is German, mon ami.

France and Spain are in the top ten scientific countries, and the difference between them is not big. Besides,you should add all other scientific articles published in Spanish by other countries (Mexico, United States and Latin America).

Anyway, Japanese is the second scientific country and Japanese is not a World language

http://sciencewatch.com/dr/sci/08/jun15-08_1/
Jean-Duc   Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:56 am GMT
I'd say French is more important globally. It may not be as important as in the past, but it's still a diplomatic language. Portuguese has a lot of speakers, but its total number is mostly confined to Brazil and to a lesser extent, Portugal. French is spoken in numerous countries such as France, Canada, Belgium, Switzerland, and various countries in Africa. It's also used in the Middle East (i.e. Lebanon).

Don't get me wrong, I like Portuguese as a language itself. It's rather charming and Brazil would be a nice country to visit. But the usefulness of the language is not very widespread and thus useful as a whole compared to French.
Visitor   Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:23 am GMT
<< Visitor, You say that French is big scientific language.

Oh la la! That is NOT true.



English is the most important scientific language Worldwide (United States, UK, Canada, etc)

The second is Japanese and the third is German, mon ami.

France and Spain are in the top ten scientific countries, and the difference between them is not big. Besides,you should add all other scientific articles published in Spanish by other countries (Mexico, United States and Latin America).

Anyway, Japanese is the second scientific country and Japanese is not a World language

http://sciencewatch.com/dr/sci/08/jun15-08_1/ >>

Stupid! The site is a crap and it was made again by hispanic. Imagine Spain has more output than Russia in science.

And where is Brazil, Netherlands, Sweden, and India which have more output than Spain?

Australia has more scientific discovery than Canada.

The order should have been US, Russia, Germany, France, UK, Italy, Sweden, Netherlands, India, China, and Brazil. Spain should have never been included because it just copies from France and Italy live the AVE train from TGV.

And this link does not rank the languages in science but rather it ranks the scientific output of every country, stupid. You have a weak reading comprehension.
Guest   Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:54 pm GMT
Perhaps you have a high reading comprehension and you know any better source, asshole.

If this list ranks the scientific output of every country, it is also important, idiot.

Anyway, English, Japanese and German are the most important scientific languages, and NOT French.

So, French is ONLY important in the Diplomatic field, but even in this field French is overestimated: Canada, Switzerland and Belgium prefer to use English in international meetings.
Guest #2   Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:36 pm GMT
"Perhaps you have a high reading comprehension and you know any better source, asshole."

Uh, who are you talking to? Jeez, some people have no manners or tact.