Spelling reform

Richard   Tuesday, November 04, 2003, 01:31 GMT
Do you think the spelling of English will ever be reformed, I once got this example offf a website on spelling reform this was their alphabet.

Short vowels
a-short vowel sound in cat, mat, bag.
e-short vowel sound in bed, egg, ten, dead, get, many.
i-short vowel sound in bid, bit, pit, hint, fish.
o-short vowel sound in cot, hot, dot, wash, father, tot, caught, shot.
u-short vowel sound in cut, hut, hug, son, ton, honey, money, alike.

Long vowels
ae-long vowel sound in plate, late, bait.
ee-long vowel sound in speed, meat, read, field,
ie-long vowel sound in spider, wide, fly, cry, light.
oe-long vowel sound in boat, coast, post, ghost.
ue-long vowel sound in few, mute, beautiful.

Two letter sounds
Oi- boy, toy, coin, join.
oo-two, who, tutu, suit, super, moon, new, boot, rude.
ou-cow, how, wow, brown, mount.
uu-cook, should, would, wood. book

R vowel sounds.
ar-car, Mars, tar, far, star.
er-care, air, hair, very, hairy, marry, terror.
eer-steer, hear, beer, pier.
or-four, core, corn, for, your, ford, poor cord, tour, torn.
our-flower, sour, flour, shower, our, tower.
ur-burn, girl, learn, Earth, curve, sure, butter, burger.

Consonants
b-bag
ch-chin
d-dog
f-free
g-get never in words like gym.
h-height never silent
j-jet
k-kite, cat.
l-lick
m-might
n-night
ng-finger, sing, thing, stung for words like think and tank, the g is left out.
p-plane
q-not used
r-rust
s-stove, sit
sh-ship, hush
t-tiger
th-thing, that
v-vehicle
w-wing, when
x-not used
y-yes never in words like fly or happy.
z-zag
zh-vision
Richard   Tuesday, November 04, 2003, 01:35 GMT
They also had the idea of respelling the consonants without appostrophies. I don't think this is a very good idea.

can't-kant
don't-doent
doesn't-duzunt
wasn't-wuzunt
weren't-wurnt
shouldn't-shuudunt
isn't-izunt
you're-yor
we're-weer
they're-ther
he's-heez
she's-sheez
Richard   Tuesday, November 04, 2003, 01:38 GMT
they respelled some of the words that end in a short vowel sound.

nah-na short a
yeah=ye short e
pa=po
duh=du

some of the words that end in a long vowel sound.

hey=hae
he=hee
high=hie
ho=hoe
hew=hue
Jim   Thursday, November 06, 2003, 01:10 GMT
For anyone who missed the first version of this thread have a look here:

http://www.antimoon.com/forum/2003/3358.htm

I came up with a dozen objections to their system. You'll see them if you click on the link above (2nd post). Since I made these objections Richard has clarified a few things and I have only ten left (numbers 4 and 12 no longer hold).

The problems I have with their system basically centre on the fact that they've based it entirely on their own accent completely ignoring the wide variety of accents out there. How could they expect their system to be accepted by those of us for whom it just doesn't work?

I don't think that you should trust any spelling reformers who don't know what a diphthong is. Their definitions of "short vowel", "long vowel" and "two letter sound" are straight out of kindergarten.

The vowel in "plate", "late" & "bait" is not a long vowel but a diphthong. The vowel in "wide", "fly", "cry" & "light" is not a long vowel either, it's a diphthong. The vowel in "boat", "coast", "post" & "ghost" is a diphthong not long vowels. The vowels in "boy", "coin", "brown" & "mount" are diphthongs too.

The vowel in "two", "who", "moon" & "boot", on the other hand, is a long vowel but the vowel in "cook", "should", "would" & "wood" is short. And they've called the "ew" in "few" and the "eau" in "beautiful" a long vowel: it's not, it's a consonant followed by a long vowel.
Richard   Thursday, November 06, 2003, 03:51 GMT
Yeah, I guess they don't know what a diphthong is. They use ''long vowel'' to describe a vowel that says it's name.
Richard   Thursday, November 06, 2003, 03:56 GMT
In this spelling reform, double letters are only used when the sound is repeated. they reformed ''bus stop as ''busstop'', ''threshold'' as ''threshhoeld'' and ''bookkeeper'' as ''buukkeepur''. They don't double the ''g'' in finger and singular, they spell them ''fingur'' and singuelur''.
Richard   Thursday, November 06, 2003, 12:55 GMT
They make three new words for ''used to'', ''have to'' and ''has to''. ''uestoo'', ''haftoo'', and ''hastoo''. Wood is used to make furniture. Wuud iz uezd too maek furnichur. I used to make furniture with wood. Ie uestoo maek furnichur with wuud.
Simon   Thursday, November 06, 2003, 14:43 GMT
I think the language works just fine. Why do some of you want to change it?
Richard   Thursday, November 06, 2003, 16:55 GMT
Yeah, if English spellings were ever reformed it would look crazy.
Richard   Thursday, November 06, 2003, 19:54 GMT
In that spelling reform they, made a new rule, just like the a/an rule. They made a thu/thee rule. ''thu'' before a consonant and ''thee'' before a vowel.
Richard   Friday, November 07, 2003, 01:07 GMT
People often call the sounds in bit and bite, short-I and long-I.
Jim   Friday, November 07, 2003, 01:30 GMT
Those people don't understand basic phonetics and are therefore not qualified to go about reforming the spelling of the English language.
Richard   Friday, November 07, 2003, 03:19 GMT
They had a list of reformed number names.

One=wun
two=too
three=three
four=for
five=fiev
six=siks
seven=sevun
eight=aet
nine=nien
ten=ten
eleven=eelevun syllables ee-lev-un
twelve-twelv
thirteen=thurteen
fourteen=forteen
fifteen=fifteen
sixteen=siksteen
eighteen=aeteen
ninety=nienteen
twenty=twuntee
thirty=thurtee
forty=fortee
fifty=fiftee
sixty=sikstee
seventy=sevuntee
eighty=aetee
ninety=nientee
hundred=hundrid
thousand=thouzund
million=milyun
billion=bilyun
trillion=trilyun

They respell ''one hundred'' as wunhundrid.
Richard   Saturday, November 08, 2003, 01:38 GMT
There are a lot of different spelling reforms such as Truespel, Fanetiks, and Neytoe Inglish. Each one of them is a little different.
Richard   Saturday, November 08, 2003, 13:59 GMT
They also ''respelled'' the and/or as ''andor'' that would look crazy.

They don't use any consonants in the vowel sounds, they respell ow and oy as ''ou'' and ''oi''.