''pane'' and ''pain''

I'm curious as to if you all pronounce ''pane'' and ''pain'' the same way. I don't.

What language are you referring to ? French and Spanish ?

Don, where're you from, by the way?

Anyways, I pronounce them both as /pen/ --> [p_he~:n].

I'm from South Wales.

I pronounce ''pane'' as /pe:n/ [p_he~:n] and ''pain'' as /p{In/ [p_h{I~:n].

Where are you from, Travis?

I'm from southeastern Wisconsin myself.

Travis,


What about these word pairs:

daze, days

mane, main

ale, ail

vane, vain

lane, lain

made, maid

Do you pronounce them the same too?

For me they're all different. The first words in the pairs have /e/ and the second words in the pairs have /{I/.

I assume that I'm a minority in distinguishing ''pane'' and ''pain'', right?

Don, I pronounce them all the same, as:

"daze", "days" : /dez/ --> [de:z]
"mane", "main" : /men/ --> [me~:n]
"ale", "ail" : /el/ --> [e:5]
"vane", "vain" : /ven/ --> [ve~:n]
"lane", "lain" : /len/ --> [5e~:n]
"made", "maid" : /med/ --> [me:d_}]

And "*", what does this have to do with the topic at hand? And by the way, I'd assume that such's just coincidental; at least to me, -"ard" is not a derogatory suffix in itself.

I say them the same.

I say all those word-pairs the same.

<<I assume that I'm a minority in distinguishing ''pane'' and ''pain'', right?>>

Yes. I think distinguishing between /e/ and /{I/ is unique to Wales, and maybe some parts of Scotland.

I pronounce all those words the same--I'm from California.

I pronounce all these words the same as well (American Southwest). In much of the U.S., the /e/ isn't even diphthonged; it's a pure vowel.

American English has largely dropped the /eI/ diphthong and has dropped many other non-phonemic diphthongs as well. Vowel length also tends to be quite constant (but it was never phonemic to begin with).

pain/pane : which languages please ??? english,french, spanish,german...???