Subject ellipsis

Johnny   Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:59 pm GMT
I need advice on subject ellipsis. I tend to do that unconsciously, and I was wondering if that's common in American English in informal speech. I read that it's common in the UK, and what is left out is the first part of the sentence when it's unstressed and is easily guessable from the context because it's expected.

Can't go there anymore. (I can't go...)
Need to go tomorrow. (I need to go...)
Ok. Gonna try the other one, wait. (I am gonna...)
Gotta find it as soon as possible. (I've got to find...)

Can anyone tell me more, give me examples, state how common it is, etc, to help me understand this better? Thanks.
Another Guest   Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:53 am GMT
It's definitely informal, but somewhat common. People who are still learning English should be careful about informal usage, as they may not do it in the standard way, and if there are other errors in their speech, they will lose the error-correcting effects of redundancies. Ellipsis, contractions, abbreviations, etc. can make speech more natural, but only once the basics are mastered. Context is definitely important. Usually, third person is not elided, but that still leaves the question of whether it's first person or second.

Here are some song lyrics that exhibit this practice:

>Give me a ticket for an aeroplane
>Ain't got time to take a fast train
>Lonely days are gone, I'ma goin' home
>My baby just wrote me a letter

>I don't care how much money I gotta spend
>Got to get back to my baby again
>Lonely days are gone, I'ma goin' home
>My baby just wrote me a letter

Note that there's context to help. For instance, the fifth line does have the subject, so the listener can be expected to know that the subject in the next line is the same.
Johnny   Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:05 am GMT
Song lyrics are not really good examples, you can find virtually everything in them, from mispronunciations to words that don't exist.
What I would like to know is something more about subject ellipsis in spoken American English, but comments on British English are welcome as well.
Uriel   Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:49 am GMT
Very common in the US as well. You'll see it in many of my posts.
Johnny   Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:03 pm GMT
<<Very common in the US as well. You'll see it in many of my posts.>>

Could you give me some examples? Apart from the very common ones that I already know are in use (Looks like... Gotta go... Hope you get better... ), and the ones in questions (See what I mean?... Want some?... Got a lighter?), can you give some examples in affirmative sentences? Thanks.
Another Guest   Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:24 am GMT
Subject ellipsis is definitely on the informal side of English, so I don't know why you're complaining about song lyrics being informal. If you're asking about correct usage, then the answer is "subject ellipsis is incorrect". If you're asking about what people say, then lyrics are perfectly valid.

As for quoting Uriel saying "Very common in the US as well" and then asking for an example: not getting the joke, or just playing along?
Johnny   Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:31 pm GMT
<<Subject ellipsis is definitely on the informal side of English, so I don't know why you're complaining about song lyrics being informal.>>

Where did I complain about informal English? That's what I am asking about, in fact, since subject ellipsis occurs in informal contexts. I said song lyrics are not a good example of real spoken English, and it's clear why they aren't.

<<"Very common in the US as well" and then asking for an example: not getting the joke, or just playing along?>>

No, I asked for "examples". Like "Damn, gotta go buy some. Need at least another ten to finish. Can't do it otherwise."
I can't judge by myself whether such forms are in use, how common, where, etc, and I am interested in this phenomenon. So I'd just like some examples and a few comments, if possible. Thanks.
Kess   Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:40 pm GMT
In offers like these it's common:


Wanna go with us?
Wanna sandwich?
Another Guest   Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:00 am GMT
<<"Very common in the US as well" and then asking for an example: not getting the joke, or just playing along?>>

In the sentence "Very common in the US as well", there is no subject OR verb. In my sentence, there is no subject. Hence, they are examples.
Uriel   Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:01 am GMT
I think you're coming up with examples pretty well on your own. I don't know that there is any particular pattern to the practice except for leaving off the subject itself -- you don't need to worry too much about some examples being more common than others. Once you get the pattern, the possibilities are endless.