I believe this is an extremely important question. The answer, if a good one exists, may give some people "superpowers". This applies to all languages a person wants to study, but here we will discuss mainly English, since it's the one I'm most interested in.
A thing to note first: I know there are probably some people that are not linguistically inclined, some that are not motivated, etc., but here we will only consider learners who don't seem to have trouble learning languages.
The question in brief: how can a learner recognize the features in a spoken language, so that they can identify the basic "bricks" (consonant set, vowel set, assimilation, variations) and then try to use them in their speech?
The question in detail:
Until now, my personal theory has been "you can't speak English and understand it easily unless you learn the basic sounds". Like children: first they try to get the sounds, then they try the syllables, and they they can put them together... mom-ma... dad-dy...
My native language doesn't have the vowel in "ship". The result is every learner here pronounce "ship" and "sheep" the same, as "sheep". I had to learn the difference, so now I know that there are two different vowels, used for different syllables.
The point is: I had to learn about that, from books. But that's limiting, and that's the problem. Books won't tell you everything. American Accent Training deals with a lot of features of American English, but for example it doesn't even mention anything about aspiration of T, K, and P, so I presume that's left for the student to notice by themselves. Another example could be transcriptions in dictionaries or any other learning material: the are not precise, so you can't understand any features from there (example: "can" and "cat" are always transcribed as having the same vowel, yet it is different for most Americans).
I hope the question is clearer now: how do I learn those features by myself if no one teaches them to me? How do I actually "hear" them, how do I notice?
I have read here about "shadowing", but I didn't understand how it's supposed to work. If I try to repeat while another one is talking, I won't hear what they say anymore. Repeating little pieces alternating like "me-audiofile-me-audiofile-me-audiofile" might be easier...
The only technique I have tried so far is "attentive listening", similar to "attentive reading" proposed by Tom here. I pick a video on Youtube, and I don't pay attenchin to what they say, but how they say it. Attenchin. To what they sigh. Say. :-) The problem with my technique is that often you can't tell what sound has been used (especially consonants in clusters or assimilated), especially in fast speech. The fact that children don't learn to speak by listening to fast speech leads me to think slow speech is absolutely required.
I'll appreciate your advice on this.
A thing to note first: I know there are probably some people that are not linguistically inclined, some that are not motivated, etc., but here we will only consider learners who don't seem to have trouble learning languages.
The question in brief: how can a learner recognize the features in a spoken language, so that they can identify the basic "bricks" (consonant set, vowel set, assimilation, variations) and then try to use them in their speech?
The question in detail:
Until now, my personal theory has been "you can't speak English and understand it easily unless you learn the basic sounds". Like children: first they try to get the sounds, then they try the syllables, and they they can put them together... mom-ma... dad-dy...
My native language doesn't have the vowel in "ship". The result is every learner here pronounce "ship" and "sheep" the same, as "sheep". I had to learn the difference, so now I know that there are two different vowels, used for different syllables.
The point is: I had to learn about that, from books. But that's limiting, and that's the problem. Books won't tell you everything. American Accent Training deals with a lot of features of American English, but for example it doesn't even mention anything about aspiration of T, K, and P, so I presume that's left for the student to notice by themselves. Another example could be transcriptions in dictionaries or any other learning material: the are not precise, so you can't understand any features from there (example: "can" and "cat" are always transcribed as having the same vowel, yet it is different for most Americans).
I hope the question is clearer now: how do I learn those features by myself if no one teaches them to me? How do I actually "hear" them, how do I notice?
I have read here about "shadowing", but I didn't understand how it's supposed to work. If I try to repeat while another one is talking, I won't hear what they say anymore. Repeating little pieces alternating like "me-audiofile-me-audiofile-me-audiofile" might be easier...
The only technique I have tried so far is "attentive listening", similar to "attentive reading" proposed by Tom here. I pick a video on Youtube, and I don't pay attenchin to what they say, but how they say it. Attenchin. To what they sigh. Say. :-) The problem with my technique is that often you can't tell what sound has been used (especially consonants in clusters or assimilated), especially in fast speech. The fact that children don't learn to speak by listening to fast speech leads me to think slow speech is absolutely required.
I'll appreciate your advice on this.