<<It's a pleasure to read your posts, especially after all the pointless aggression from a certain other contributor here.>>
I sense a trolling and stalking MrP afoot.
I sense a trolling and stalking MrP afoot.
verb and particle switching roles
<'offed' is not a word in the dictionary. >
Do all the words of English appear in dictionaries?
Do all the words of English appear in dictionaries?
Robin, this is for you, as you seem to like posting music lyrics as proof of something:
"Stole her car, made a profit
Grabbed the tape from out the deck and offed it out the window
Like the girl in `Set It Off` did
Jetted off kid, stole the whip, now I`m a criminal
Drove it through somebody`s yard, dove into they swimmin pool"
http://www.lyricsbay.com/murder_murder_remix_lyrics-eminem.html
"Stole her car, made a profit
Grabbed the tape from out the deck and offed it out the window
Like the girl in `Set It Off` did
Jetted off kid, stole the whip, now I`m a criminal
Drove it through somebody`s yard, dove into they swimmin pool"
http://www.lyricsbay.com/murder_murder_remix_lyrics-eminem.html
Another example:
"Probably the writers should have gone with more of the former, because the latter is done in the most clumsy and cliched way, deflating the tension by prefacing nearly every murder with maudlin scenes designed to make us feel for the victims before they are murdered; you know someone is about to be offed when they all of a sudden get a melancholic scene of domestic bliss where they are telling their wife/girlfriend/family how much they love them."
http://www.lumieredoor.com/underbelly-like-neighbours-but-with-guns/
"Probably the writers should have gone with more of the former, because the latter is done in the most clumsy and cliched way, deflating the tension by prefacing nearly every murder with maudlin scenes designed to make us feel for the victims before they are murdered; you know someone is about to be offed when they all of a sudden get a melancholic scene of domestic bliss where they are telling their wife/girlfriend/family how much they love them."
http://www.lumieredoor.com/underbelly-like-neighbours-but-with-guns/
<<It's a pleasure to read your posts>>
I sense MrP regretting what he wrote.
I sense MrP regretting what he wrote.
Hello Everybody
To Mr P.
The best of British!
To XBix
Eminem is a wigger. Not a good example for your English. My favourite wigger is Ali G. However I would like you to listen to Borat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFP-MktgOKU
To MolllyB
Are these English expressions?
Away with him!
I'll away myself if you desire it.
"Away with him!" is fine.
I'll away myself if you desire it. Bizarre
To Mufti
Where is 'offed' in your example?
Bye for now
To Mr P.
The best of British!
To XBix
Eminem is a wigger. Not a good example for your English. My favourite wigger is Ali G. However I would like you to listen to Borat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFP-MktgOKU
To MolllyB
Are these English expressions?
Away with him!
I'll away myself if you desire it.
"Away with him!" is fine.
I'll away myself if you desire it. Bizarre
To Mufti
Where is 'offed' in your example?
Bye for now
Hello Robin,
<I would like to point out that these dates 1717 and 1643 are so long ago, that the word use they describe, is not that of modern English.>
The dates in the dictionary denote the first recorded use of "off" and "up" as verbs, not the last recorded use. (Obsolete terms tend to be marked as such.)
All the best,
MrP
<I would like to point out that these dates 1717 and 1643 are so long ago, that the word use they describe, is not that of modern English.>
The dates in the dictionary denote the first recorded use of "off" and "up" as verbs, not the last recorded use. (Obsolete terms tend to be marked as such.)
All the best,
MrP
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out of, from; by reason of; according to; because of, as a result of;
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alone, a single/sole; some, some one; only (pl.); one set of (denoting entity);
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bilbaoano ======== UNKNOWN
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more; several. many;
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out of, from; by reason of; according to; because of, as a result of;
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alone, a single/sole; some, some one; only (pl.); one set of (denoting entity);
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Sorry Mufti
I did not read your Post properly.
There is an example of 'offed' meaning 'killed'. However it is in a film called 'Under belly' which is about criminals in Australia. The point that I made earlier applies; this is an unusual example from slang (poor English).
I used to be quite keen on gangster films. I particularly liked the 1959 television series 'The Untouchables' about Eliot Ness and Al Capone. One of the characteristics of gangster films are the 'code words' used to describe killing people. In a British gangster documentary the criminals talked a lot about 'Claret'. What they were referring to was 'Blood'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Untouchables_(1959_TV_series)
I did not read your Post properly.
There is an example of 'offed' meaning 'killed'. However it is in a film called 'Under belly' which is about criminals in Australia. The point that I made earlier applies; this is an unusual example from slang (poor English).
I used to be quite keen on gangster films. I particularly liked the 1959 television series 'The Untouchables' about Eliot Ness and Al Capone. One of the characteristics of gangster films are the 'code words' used to describe killing people. In a British gangster documentary the criminals talked a lot about 'Claret'. What they were referring to was 'Blood'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Untouchables_(1959_TV_series)
Eliot Ness and the Untouchables
The White Slavers - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V8RSmmn8C8&feature=related
Don't you think that this is a lot more interesting than Grammar?
The White Slavers - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V8RSmmn8C8&feature=related
Don't you think that this is a lot more interesting than Grammar?
<<There is an example of 'offed' meaning 'killed'. However it is in a film called 'Under belly' which is about criminals in Australia. The point that I made earlier applies; this is an unusual example from slang (poor English). >>
Poor English is still English. The word exists. Got it?
Poor English is still English. The word exists. Got it?
I could either ignore your comment or make some reply. Possibly rather foolishly I will attempt a reply. I will try to avoid being rude or offensive, and I will try to couch my language in academic terms.
English is an International Language.
English is also the indigenous language of various people.
There areas the world where English is spoken, but it is in a form which is NOT understandable to speakers of International English.
These sub-groups of English are called: dialects, creoles, patois, etc.
The words used in these languages are not recognised by speakers of International English. That is not to say that they do not exist somewhere in the world.
English is an International Language.
English is also the indigenous language of various people.
There areas the world where English is spoken, but it is in a form which is NOT understandable to speakers of International English.
These sub-groups of English are called: dialects, creoles, patois, etc.
The words used in these languages are not recognised by speakers of International English. That is not to say that they do not exist somewhere in the world.
I could not be bothered spell checking my comments before posting. But I have noticed a mistake which I ought to correct. Although I do wonder why I bother. (No comment required) - I still have a sense of humour.
There are areas the world where English is spoken, but it is in a form which is NOT understandable to speakers of International English.
These sub-groups of English are called: dialects, creoles, patois, etc.
The words used in these languages are not recognised by speakers of International English. That is not to say that they do not exist somewhere in the world.
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Phonetically 'there' and 'there are' are similar. But I will try to convey my message in my best English.
There are areas the world where English is spoken, but it is in a form which is NOT understandable to speakers of International English.
These sub-groups of English are called: dialects, creoles, patois, etc.
The words used in these languages are not recognised by speakers of International English. That is not to say that they do not exist somewhere in the world.
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Phonetically 'there' and 'there are' are similar. But I will try to convey my message in my best English.
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There areas the world where English is spoken, but it is in a form which is NOT understandable to speakers of International English.
These sub-groups of English are called: dialects, creoles, patois, etc.
The words used in these languages are not recognised by speakers of International English. That is not to say that they do not exist somewhere in the world. >>
Last time I checked, a word didn't have to be recognised internationally to be considered an English word. Open a big dictionary to any page and any native speaker will find a considerable number of words that they have never seen before. Yet they do not question whether they are English words or not.
And are you saying Australian English is a creole and not significant enough for their specific words to be considered English words? Australia is a major English speaking nation and its dialect of English is probably spoken by more people than all most all of the "real-life" British dialects (ie, not RP). It is spoken by 4 times as many people as Scottish English.
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The words used in these languages are not recognised by speakers of International English. That is not to say that they do not exist somewhere in the world. >>
What's "International English" got to do with it? If there is one variant of English is not a proper one then that variant is "International English". English's international status has absolutely nothing to do with "to off". It does not negate the fact that Australian English is English (much more English than International English, in fact).
What is your issue anyway? Why are you so defensive, just because you don't know the word doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I am a native speaker and I recognise that I probably don't even know 10% of all English words, and I am comfortable with that fact, so why can't you accept the fact that "to off" exists?
There areas the world where English is spoken, but it is in a form which is NOT understandable to speakers of International English.
These sub-groups of English are called: dialects, creoles, patois, etc.
The words used in these languages are not recognised by speakers of International English. That is not to say that they do not exist somewhere in the world. >>
Last time I checked, a word didn't have to be recognised internationally to be considered an English word. Open a big dictionary to any page and any native speaker will find a considerable number of words that they have never seen before. Yet they do not question whether they are English words or not.
And are you saying Australian English is a creole and not significant enough for their specific words to be considered English words? Australia is a major English speaking nation and its dialect of English is probably spoken by more people than all most all of the "real-life" British dialects (ie, not RP). It is spoken by 4 times as many people as Scottish English.
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The words used in these languages are not recognised by speakers of International English. That is not to say that they do not exist somewhere in the world. >>
What's "International English" got to do with it? If there is one variant of English is not a proper one then that variant is "International English". English's international status has absolutely nothing to do with "to off". It does not negate the fact that Australian English is English (much more English than International English, in fact).
What is your issue anyway? Why are you so defensive, just because you don't know the word doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I am a native speaker and I recognise that I probably don't even know 10% of all English words, and I am comfortable with that fact, so why can't you accept the fact that "to off" exists?