Do you distinguish in pronunciation between?

guy   Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:37 am GMT
spaceflight,
if /u/ never occurs before /r/, how do you pronounce the word cure?
/kyOr/?
SpaceFlight   Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:15 am GMT
Quote-''spaceflight,
if /u/ never occurs before /r/, how do you pronounce the word cure?
/kyOr/?''

''cure'' is /kj3`/ for me, not /kjOr/.

Also:

sure - /S3`/

pure - /pj3`/

mural - /mj3`@l/

neural - /n3`@l/

plural - /pl3`@l/

which are quite common pronunciation in many North American dialects.
SpaceFlight   Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:17 am GMT
''cure'' /kj3`/ rhymes with ''fir'' /f3`/ for me.
Kirk   Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:09 am GMT
SpaceFlight is right--such pronunciations are common in NAE dialects. I say "sure" "pure" "cure" "mural" "neural" and "plural" just like SpaceFlight does.
guy   Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:16 pm GMT
how about rural? do you pronounce it /r3`:r@l/? I've heard some people say /r3`:l/. how about /ru:r@l/?
SpaceFlight   Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:26 pm GMT
<<how about rural? do you pronounce it /r3`:r@l/? I've heard some people say /r3`:l/. how about /ru:r@l/?>>

I pronounce ''rural'' as /r3`@l/, rhyming with ''whirl'' /w3`@l/. ''rural'' can kind of hard to say at times.

The pronunciation /rur@l/ does not occur for me, because my dialect does not allow /u/ before /r/.

Here's how I pronounce these words:

poor - /pOr/

moor - /mOr/

Moore - /mOr/

Coors - /kOrz/

mooer - /mu@`/
SpaceFlight   Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:58 pm GMT
Quote-''I've heard some people say /r3`:l/''

In my dialect, /3`/ never occurs before /l/ in the same syllable. So, thus while ''early'' is /3`li/, ''whirl'' is /w3`@ld/ and ''world'' is /w3`@ld/.
SpaceFlight   Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:00 pm GMT
''whirl'' is /w3`@ld/''

That was a typo.


''whirl'' is /w3`@l/
Ryan   Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:47 pm GMT
''cot'' and ''caught'' - YES
''Mary'', ''marry'' and ''merry'' - NO
''card'' and ''cord'' - YES
''pour'' and ''poor'' - NO
''wine'' and ''whine'' - NO
''horse'' and ''hoarse'' - NO
The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror'' - NO, but they don't rhyme. Mirror tends to be contracted down to one syllable around here.

The vowels in ''hurry'' and ''furry'' - NO
''lock'' and ''loch'' - NO
''pull'' and ''pool''- YES
''tune'' and ''toon'' - NO
''do'' and ''dew'' - NO
''loot'' and ''lute'' - NO
''rood'' and ''rude'' - NO
The vowels in ''bad'' and ''lad'' - NO
The vowels in ''father'' and ''bother'' - NO

And where are you from? - Michigan, USA
Kirk   Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:43 am GMT
What SpaceFlight said about "rural" applies to me too.
andre in usa   Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:34 pm GMT
alright I'll fill out one of these fun things...

''cot'' and ''caught'' - YES
''Mary'', ''marry'' and ''merry'' - YES
''card'' and ''cord'' - YES
''pour'' and ''poor'' - NO
''wine'' and ''whine'' - NO
''horse'' and ''hoarse'' - NO
The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror'' - NO

The vowels in ''hurry'' and ''furry'' - NO
''lock'' and ''loch'' - NO
''pull'' and ''pool''- NO
''tune'' and ''toon'' - NO
''do'' and ''dew'' - NO
''loot'' and ''lute'' - NO
''rood'' and ''rude'' - NO
The vowels in ''bad'' and ''lad'' - YES
The vowels in ''father'' and ''bother'' - NO

-- from suburban Philadelphia
Travis   Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:48 am GMT
Here are my answers to the given questions:

''cot'' and ''caught'' - yes
''Mary'', ''marry'' and ''merry'' - no
''card'' and ''cord'' - yes
''pour'' and ''poor'' - yes
''wine'' and ''whine'' - no (unless I feel like really realizing /W/ distinctly, which is not native to my dialect)
''horse'' and ''hoarse'' - no
The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror'' - no (but for me "mirror" is monosyllabic, as /mIr/ -> [mI:r\], whereas I keep "nearer" disyllabic)
The vowels in ''hurry'' and ''furry'' - no
''lock'' and ''loch'' - no (unless I feel like really realizing /x/ distinctly, which is not native to my dialect)
''pull'' and ''pool''- yes
''tune'' and ''toon'' - no
''do'' and ''dew'' - no
''loot'' and ''lute'' - no
''rood'' and ''rude'' - no
The vowels in ''bad'' and ''lad'' - no
The vowels in ''father'' and ''bother'' - no
Lazar   Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:26 pm GMT
Do you distinguish in pronunciation between:

''cot'' and ''caught'' - no
''Mary'', ''marry'', and ''merry'' - yes
''card'' and ''cord'' - yes
''pour'' and ''poor'' - yes
''wine'' and ''whine'' - no
''horse'' and ''hoarse'' - no
The vowels in ''nearer'' and ''mirror'' - yes
The vowels in ''hurry'' and ''furry'' - yes
''lock'' and ''loch'' - no
''pull'' and ''pool'' - yes
''tune'' and ''toon'' - no
''do'' and ''dew'' - no
''loot'' and ''lute'' - no
''rood'' and ''rude'' - no
The vowels in ''bad'' and ''lad'' - no
The vowels in ''father'' and ''bother'' - yes

And where are you from? Massachusetts.
guy   Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:18 pm GMT
so for many north americans, whirl, girl, rural all rhyme, dont they?
SpaceFlight   Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:06 pm GMT
''so for many north americans, whirl, girl, rural all rhyme, dont they?''

Yep, they rhyme for me.

whirl - /w3`@l/
girl - /g3`@l/
rural - /r3`@l/