Keyona in the U.S.
Not to mention williams shakespeare.
I hated Mark Twain, dude his novels make me feel bored to death.
Not to mention williams shakespeare.
I hated Mark Twain, dude his novels make me feel bored to death.
American Literature vs British Literature
"I hated Mark Twain, dude his novels make me feel bored to death."
You poor thing. How very tedious for you.
Perhaps watching the cartoon versions of "Huckleberry Finn" and "Tom Sawyer" would help?
You poor thing. How very tedious for you.
Perhaps watching the cartoon versions of "Huckleberry Finn" and "Tom Sawyer" would help?
***William Shakespeare was the greatest American Writer***
Oh really? An American William Shakespeare! Oh mah Gahd, that's so cool, man! Do tells us something about this guy, and while you're at it would you please give a complete list his works so that I can check him out at our local library. Cheers! :-)
Oh really? An American William Shakespeare! Oh mah Gahd, that's so cool, man! Do tells us something about this guy, and while you're at it would you please give a complete list his works so that I can check him out at our local library. Cheers! :-)
I watched a play called 'A street tram called Desire' a wonderful story based in New Orleans.
Wonderul play if only I could remember the Author. Sure it was American.
Wonderul play if only I could remember the Author. Sure it was American.
<<I watched a play called 'A street tram called Desire' a wonderful story based in New Orleans.
Wonderul play if only I could remember the Author. Sure it was American.>>
"A Street Tram Called Desire"...LOL!!! Well, it must have been written by the English Willy in co-operation with the American Willy! :-)
Joking apart, the exact title is "A Streetcar Named Desire" and was written by Tennessee Williams. And yes, it's an American play.
That's a good piece, I like it very much except when I'm down in the dumps. It's obviously not the most effective psychotheraphy by any stretch of the imagination... :-))
BTW, have you read it or just seen it? If you haven't read it yet I'd recommend you to do so. However, it's usually more interesting and worthwile to see a play than to read it, since plays are "designed" / written to be performed. I mean, generally speaking...of course there are typically "written" and readable dramas. I can't really name any at the moment but I'm gonna do some extra research...
Wonderul play if only I could remember the Author. Sure it was American.>>
"A Street Tram Called Desire"...LOL!!! Well, it must have been written by the English Willy in co-operation with the American Willy! :-)
Joking apart, the exact title is "A Streetcar Named Desire" and was written by Tennessee Williams. And yes, it's an American play.
That's a good piece, I like it very much except when I'm down in the dumps. It's obviously not the most effective psychotheraphy by any stretch of the imagination... :-))
BTW, have you read it or just seen it? If you haven't read it yet I'd recommend you to do so. However, it's usually more interesting and worthwile to see a play than to read it, since plays are "designed" / written to be performed. I mean, generally speaking...of course there are typically "written" and readable dramas. I can't really name any at the moment but I'm gonna do some extra research...
<<of course there are typically "written" and readable dramas>>
Well...readable? That's not a really appropriate word in here, I reckon. These plays (which are not intended to be performed) are called closet dramas in plain English. I just couldn't remember the term itself. You know, I'm ageing... :-))
I promised to look it up...and I'm trustworthy in general (and modesty personified, but I think it goes without saying :-)), so I keep my promise.
There you go:
Probably the best known closet dramas are Goethe's Faust and Milton's Samson Agonistes, but this is by no means an exhaustive list. It's not a list at all quite frankly.
You can look it up yourself and find some more examples, if you are interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closet_drama
Although Wikipedia is not the most reliable source and what is written there should be taken with a pinch of sodium chloride, this article is not that bad.
Oops...I seem to have strayed away from Tennessee Williams...just a wee bit... :-)
Cheers,
Liz
Well...readable? That's not a really appropriate word in here, I reckon. These plays (which are not intended to be performed) are called closet dramas in plain English. I just couldn't remember the term itself. You know, I'm ageing... :-))
I promised to look it up...and I'm trustworthy in general (and modesty personified, but I think it goes without saying :-)), so I keep my promise.
There you go:
Probably the best known closet dramas are Goethe's Faust and Milton's Samson Agonistes, but this is by no means an exhaustive list. It's not a list at all quite frankly.
You can look it up yourself and find some more examples, if you are interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closet_drama
Although Wikipedia is not the most reliable source and what is written there should be taken with a pinch of sodium chloride, this article is not that bad.
Oops...I seem to have strayed away from Tennessee Williams...just a wee bit... :-)
Cheers,
Liz
I'll have more time to post in this and other links tomorrow, but I just have to say that I went to see Tennessee Williams' play "A Streetcar Named Desire" at the National Theatre (the Lyttelton I think from memory) on the South Bank in London about 18 months ago, with Glenn Close playing the part of Blanche Dubois. It was great, and even though many of the cast were British the prevailing Southern American accents seemed to me to be spot on and authentic.
Glenn Close playing Blanche Dubois? That must be interesting. I'd really like to see her in this role!
<"A Street Tram Called Desire"...LOL!!! Well, it must have been written by the English Willy in co-operation with the American Willy! :-)>
Omg how could I get it wrong, sorry it was rather from the old days back in High School.
<BTW, have you read it or just seen it? If you haven't read it yet I'd recommend you to do so. >
Oh yes I have read the book - remembered for my reward for reading the book I got sent to a performance of the play.
The irony in the story still amazes me - yet I must not ruin the secret for others willing to read such a wonderful book.
The accents in the play was non rhotic well for characters based in the USA. I came up with reasons for this. One reason could it be if the accents of New Orleans are non rhotic. Or it could be bad acting as the characters were played by locals who were from New Zealand.
Omg how could I get it wrong, sorry it was rather from the old days back in High School.
<BTW, have you read it or just seen it? If you haven't read it yet I'd recommend you to do so. >
Oh yes I have read the book - remembered for my reward for reading the book I got sent to a performance of the play.
The irony in the story still amazes me - yet I must not ruin the secret for others willing to read such a wonderful book.
The accents in the play was non rhotic well for characters based in the USA. I came up with reasons for this. One reason could it be if the accents of New Orleans are non rhotic. Or it could be bad acting as the characters were played by locals who were from New Zealand.
LIZ: Glenn Close was brilliant as Blanche DuBois. No boiling bunny anywhere in sight either. I checked out the program and most of the cast were British (only three Americans in the company) and their US Deep South accents were apparently really well done.
http://www.culturewars.org.uk/2002-12/streetcar.htm
http://www.culturewars.org.uk/2002-12/streetcar.htm
Glenn Close is always brilliant. I just haven't even thought about her as Blanche DuBois. It would be nice to see her playing that role.
<<Omg how could I get it wrong, sorry it was rather from the old days back in High School.>>
Never mind. No offence was intended on my part...I just liked the idea. Quite a nice mixture of British and American vocab. :-)
<<The accents in the play was non rhotic well for characters based in the USA. I came up with reasons for this. One reason could it be if the accents of New Orleans are non rhotic. Or it could be bad acting as the characters were played by locals who were from New Zealand.>>
Well, to be honest, I'm not really conversant with American accents and dialects, and that's an understatement. But I checked it out and read that some of the New Orleans accents involve the loss of rhoticity in certain positions, i.e. in syllable-final positions (e.g. fire) and when preceded by consonants / a consonant (e.g. heart).
Have a closer look:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yat_(New_Orleans)
However, I can't tell how authentic the accents were, since I haven't seen the play.
Never mind. No offence was intended on my part...I just liked the idea. Quite a nice mixture of British and American vocab. :-)
<<The accents in the play was non rhotic well for characters based in the USA. I came up with reasons for this. One reason could it be if the accents of New Orleans are non rhotic. Or it could be bad acting as the characters were played by locals who were from New Zealand.>>
Well, to be honest, I'm not really conversant with American accents and dialects, and that's an understatement. But I checked it out and read that some of the New Orleans accents involve the loss of rhoticity in certain positions, i.e. in syllable-final positions (e.g. fire) and when preceded by consonants / a consonant (e.g. heart).
Have a closer look:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yat_(New_Orleans)
However, I can't tell how authentic the accents were, since I haven't seen the play.
In examining the comparisons and contrasts between American and British literature, I'd like to post some quotations that are part of my own recent literary excavations:
In my poetic work I feel a strong identification with the poet Horace(65-8 BC). The twin platforms of his writing were simplicity and unity. He also argued that poets should know themselves and their capacities as they attempt to inform and delight. The best poets are the wisest ones. Just as there are many Horaces, so there are many Prices. Whatever self is fashioned in my poetry and in Horace's is provisional; it is a self in the process of becoming; it is a poetry of self-portraiture.1 Both he and I look out on the world and report what we see "with all the imagination, artistry and honesty"2 that we can command. -Ron Price with thanks to C. Martindale and D. Hopkins, editors, Horace Made New: Horatian Influences on British Writing From the Renaissance to the Twentieth Century, Cambridge UP, 1993; and W. R. Johnson, "Foreword," in an Unknown Source, p.viii.
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John Keats said that when he went into a room full of people he was in a very short time annihiated. This was partly why he could say he had no identity. Poetry was for him, as it was for all the romantic and post-romantic poets, largely a self-referential body of work which responded to monuments of its own magnificence as much as to personal experience.-In Australian Poetry: Romanticism and Negativity, Paul Kane, Cambridge UP, 1996, pp. 119-140.
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Melville began writing this book in the late 1840s, perhaps 1849 at the earliest. He said he loved all men who dived. Any fish could swim near the surface, but it took a great whale to go down five miles. Melville also thought that comfortable beliefs needed to be discarded. Melville could not himself believe and he was uncomfortable in his disbelief.-Ron Price with thanks to Colliers Encyclopedia, "Herman Melville."
Melville must be henceforth numbered in the company of the incorrigibles who occasionally tantalize us with indications of genius.....Melville has succeeded in investing objects.....with an absorbing fascination...Moby Dick is not a mere tale of adventure, but a whole philosophy of life, that it unfolds. -Henry F. Chorley, in London Athenaeum, 25 October 1851; and London John Bull, 25 October 1851.
_____and so with ideasquotes from the classics, from American and British literature behind us herem let me add the following from Australia:
Richardson knows that all the mental affinity, the mutual kindness, all the respect in the world will not hold together a relationship that is not firmly based sexually, unless both the parties value some other interest, such as their work, more than they do human feeling....Louise’s sexual needs are complex and it is no reflection on Maurice’s virility that he is unable to meet the subtler aspects of them.-Dorothy Green,Henry Handel Richardson and Her Fiction, Allen and Unwin, Sydney, 1986, p. 217.
So much of what we are, what do do, what we think and feel, is a result of the culture into which we are born and develop. A small percent, perhaps only five percent, is based on the ideas and ideals of our religion in this secular age.-Ron Price, a paraphrase of the words of Firuz Kazemzadeh, heard on a cassette tape many times in the 1970s and based on a talk he gave in the 1960s.-Ron Price, Pioneering Over Three Epochs, 27 February 1999.
Like James, too, after a restless period of travel, I settled, but not in England as James did. Rather, it was in Tasmania that I finally struck a root and where I wrote both poetry and prose prolifically. Like James, I was a copious letter-writer and his letters have been preserved, like James, from his mid-twenties to his death.1-Ron Price with thanks to Harry T. Moore, Henry James and His World, Thames and Hudson Ltd., 1974, Inside Cover; and 1The Letters of Henry James: Vol.1
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The above melange of stuff leads me to conclude that: (a) it is very difficlt to compare and contrast the literature of various nations, (b) if one does it must be with many caveats and (3) the story keeps changing from decade to decade, century to century in a complex milieux.-Ron Price, Tasmania
In my poetic work I feel a strong identification with the poet Horace(65-8 BC). The twin platforms of his writing were simplicity and unity. He also argued that poets should know themselves and their capacities as they attempt to inform and delight. The best poets are the wisest ones. Just as there are many Horaces, so there are many Prices. Whatever self is fashioned in my poetry and in Horace's is provisional; it is a self in the process of becoming; it is a poetry of self-portraiture.1 Both he and I look out on the world and report what we see "with all the imagination, artistry and honesty"2 that we can command. -Ron Price with thanks to C. Martindale and D. Hopkins, editors, Horace Made New: Horatian Influences on British Writing From the Renaissance to the Twentieth Century, Cambridge UP, 1993; and W. R. Johnson, "Foreword," in an Unknown Source, p.viii.
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John Keats said that when he went into a room full of people he was in a very short time annihiated. This was partly why he could say he had no identity. Poetry was for him, as it was for all the romantic and post-romantic poets, largely a self-referential body of work which responded to monuments of its own magnificence as much as to personal experience.-In Australian Poetry: Romanticism and Negativity, Paul Kane, Cambridge UP, 1996, pp. 119-140.
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Melville began writing this book in the late 1840s, perhaps 1849 at the earliest. He said he loved all men who dived. Any fish could swim near the surface, but it took a great whale to go down five miles. Melville also thought that comfortable beliefs needed to be discarded. Melville could not himself believe and he was uncomfortable in his disbelief.-Ron Price with thanks to Colliers Encyclopedia, "Herman Melville."
Melville must be henceforth numbered in the company of the incorrigibles who occasionally tantalize us with indications of genius.....Melville has succeeded in investing objects.....with an absorbing fascination...Moby Dick is not a mere tale of adventure, but a whole philosophy of life, that it unfolds. -Henry F. Chorley, in London Athenaeum, 25 October 1851; and London John Bull, 25 October 1851.
_____and so with ideasquotes from the classics, from American and British literature behind us herem let me add the following from Australia:
Richardson knows that all the mental affinity, the mutual kindness, all the respect in the world will not hold together a relationship that is not firmly based sexually, unless both the parties value some other interest, such as their work, more than they do human feeling....Louise’s sexual needs are complex and it is no reflection on Maurice’s virility that he is unable to meet the subtler aspects of them.-Dorothy Green,Henry Handel Richardson and Her Fiction, Allen and Unwin, Sydney, 1986, p. 217.
So much of what we are, what do do, what we think and feel, is a result of the culture into which we are born and develop. A small percent, perhaps only five percent, is based on the ideas and ideals of our religion in this secular age.-Ron Price, a paraphrase of the words of Firuz Kazemzadeh, heard on a cassette tape many times in the 1970s and based on a talk he gave in the 1960s.-Ron Price, Pioneering Over Three Epochs, 27 February 1999.
Like James, too, after a restless period of travel, I settled, but not in England as James did. Rather, it was in Tasmania that I finally struck a root and where I wrote both poetry and prose prolifically. Like James, I was a copious letter-writer and his letters have been preserved, like James, from his mid-twenties to his death.1-Ron Price with thanks to Harry T. Moore, Henry James and His World, Thames and Hudson Ltd., 1974, Inside Cover; and 1The Letters of Henry James: Vol.1
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The above melange of stuff leads me to conclude that: (a) it is very difficlt to compare and contrast the literature of various nations, (b) if one does it must be with many caveats and (3) the story keeps changing from decade to decade, century to century in a complex milieux.-Ron Price, Tasmania