Do the Americans speak English better than the British?

Nightingale   Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:18 am GMT
Actually, as I pointed out, even the "California Times" (when spelt correctly) does not exist. It's not only an orthographic mistake.

Therefore, may I suggest that Awols is a troll =p
Nightingale   Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:24 am GMT
And yes, I did run a web search on "California Times" (note: correct spelling) and look up library archives of newspapers. Indeed, there is no such newspaper.

Read carefully before you post. Please. =)

I picked on his spelling mistakes in jest, since it was so obvious and ridiculous. Nonetheless, my 2nd point was valid: the newspaper, even when its name is spelt correctly, really does NOT exist.
Anthony   Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:05 am GMT
I bought a copy of the California Times yesterday for $1.10
Nightingale   Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:28 pm GMT
Show me an article from the California Times, whether it's from the newspaper's website, an archive, or a personal webpage quoting from the newspaper :)
Anthony   Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:04 pm GMT
No. It doesn't have a website and it has a limited circulation so it would be hard to find a personal webpage quoting from it.
Nightingale   Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:56 pm GMT
AH! Found it. It's the newspaper of the "California University of PENNSYLVANIA". (http://sai.cup.edu/caltimes/)

How very amusing. Well, Awols, I guess I have to concede on the existence on this paper! But do realise that this newspaper does not come from California at all, but from a university in Pennsylvania. Besides, as a university paper, it probably shouldn't be compared to the BBC. If you want a truly Californian newspaper that is up to journalistic standard, try the Los Angeles Times or San Francisco Chronicle.
Ali   Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:14 pm GMT
I have a rather interesting theory, but I would like to know your opinions about it;

If it were not for the French invasion which obviously had quite an impact on the english language,do you think we would be speaking a less 'complete' form of english. (one which does not have so many words to express so many different situations etc..) or do you think it wouldn't have mattered?

Obviously the result of this conquest was that two languages were then in existence in England; Norman french and old english. Many words from the french langugae were thus assimilated into the English language. I have always wondered to what extend the french invasion has made the English language a more 'complete' one...
Uriel   Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:38 am GMT
We do have an overwhelming plethora of synonyms in English. It's a packrat language. But many languages get by with fewer words, and their speakers don't feel their languages are "incomplete" in any way, I'm sure! So I can't agree with your premise, Ali. We would not have missed what we didn't have -- and of what we DO have, I would think the average speaker only uses a fraction of all the vocabulary that English has accumulated in everyday speech, anyway.
greg   Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:50 am GMT
***INFORMATION*** —> le "Norman French" n'existe pas. Ou plutôt si, il existe, mais ça n'est pas ce que tu crois, Ali.


Uriel : creo que el cuento del volumen del vocabulario del inglés es un mito.
Uriel   Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:16 am GMT
Well, we do have a lot of words, but I think most people in any language use about the same amount of vocabulary in normal speech. Much of our excess vocabulary is in the form of obscure words few people use, scientific and technical terms, and the like.

But what you will see are groups of synonyms that have been adopted from various sources still coexisting side-by-side, sometimes with only minor shades of meaning between them.
Marialva   Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:33 pm GMT
Is it allowed to use colloquialism in an essay or you have to use words like WHOM or SHALL to get a nice grade? thanks
Awols   Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:44 pm GMT
Nightingale or whatever your name is, you fell like a knowall to me. Too bad. Misprints should reasonably never be picked at.' California Times ' IS THE WORD. It exists. Maybe Nightingale lives at the back of no-return, Cape Town. Travis? Anthony?
Nightingale   Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:30 am GMT
Haha, I guess so.

I probably come across as a "know-all" sometimes =p. Perhaps I'm insensitive to the psychological impacts of my words/actions, because I was picked on so much when I was younger that I was desensitised to it and began to do it myself too... Personally I'm pretty immune to "verbal attacks", and wrongly assume others to be the same.

So, Sorry!

(Oh, I live in Singapore, not Cape Town.)
Nightingale   Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:33 am GMT
Besides, coming from Singapore, where parents, teachers, other adults, and even the government nitpicks at every single one of our mistakes...

We get used to it =p
Damian in London E16   Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:09 am GMT
Who's fretting, Nightingale? I'm not.

I've never heard a nightingale sing as they don't get up as far north as Scotland when they migrate to southern Britain each summer.

Earlier this year I heard this story about a nightingale singing loudly and boldly from a thick bramble bush close to the main train station at Colchester, in Essex. Apparently they sing by day as well as through the night, and every morning all the commuters to London on the station platforms enjoyed the legendary warblings of this particular bird who was quite unfazed by all the bustle around him (it was a male bird as they are the ones who do the beautiful singing).