Am I Right

Jim   Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:54 am GMT
The following is taken from the website "Am I Right"
http://www.amiright.com/real/misartist/beatles.shtml

"The Beatles', "Girl"

"The Misrhymed Lyrics:

"She was told when she was young that pain would lead to pleasure,
Did she understand it when he said,
That a man must break his back to earn his day of leisure,
Will she still believe it when he's dead?

"Why They're Misrhymed:

"'Leisure' does not rhyme with 'pleasure.' It's stretched. It is also a coincidence between my pen name and the song.
Submitted by: ~*^Girl^*~"

Well, are they right? Specifically, is ~*^Girl^*~ right?

Trivial, trivial, I know but it may lead to something interesting.
Candy   Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:23 am GMT
'pleasure' and 'leisure' rhyme exactly for me, and, I would venture, for all British people. It's not a stretch at all.
Mr Grammaticoclast   Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:22 pm GMT
"'pleasure' and 'leisure' rhyme exactly for me, and, I would venture, for all British people. It's not a stretch at all."

It's the old "you say tomahto, I say tomayto" song routine again!

So I say we do just what that song recommends:

Let's call the whole thing off!
Candy   Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:59 pm GMT
But who do pleasure and leisure not rhyme for? (Bad, inelegant sentence!) :-)
Jim   Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:50 pm GMT
Americans and Canadians who "pleasure" rhymes with "seizure" for.
Jim   Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:58 pm GMT
This thread has a twin on another forum.

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php/topic,13822.0.html

I was lead there by the links on "am I right" perhaps the editors of that site may notice. If, not, let's call the whole thing off.

Oh & here's the two pronunciations of "leisure".

http://www.bartleby.com/61/28/L0112800.html

I looked at Cambridge & they only had /leZ@(r)/ or /leZ@`/ no /li:Z@(r)/ or /li:Z@`/ (X-SAMPA).
Frances   Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:26 am GMT
! What's going up in NSW? Have you changed your accent?

I know leisure is drawn out in the N America but here in the Southern State of Australia leisure and pleasure rhyme perfectly with each other.
Frances   Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:29 am GMT
Sorry Southern States of Australia
Uriel   Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:48 am GMT
No, Jim, for Americans and Canadians it's LEISURE that rhymes with seizure. Pleasure rhymes with treasure.
Jim   Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:38 am GMT
Hang on, what I'm saying ... or at least what I'm trying to say ... is this.

Nth Am Eng "leisure" rhymes with "seizure". In other dialects "leisure" rhymes with "pleasure".

Have I got these mixed up? I can't see where I have.
Guest   Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:47 pm GMT
>>Have I got these mixed up? I can't see where I have.<<


Jim Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:50 pm GMT

>>Americans and Canadians who "pleasure" rhymes with "seizure" for.<<

⇒ Americans and Canadians who "leisure" rhymes with "seizure" for.
Kirk   Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:00 pm GMT
This topic about "leisure" and "pleasure" actually came up not long ago on a couple other forums. I made a few nifty charts comparing the General American pronunciation of certain words with my pronunciation and that of my friend who's originally from Seattle. If you look to the bottom chart on the thread you'll see how "leisure" comes out for us.

http://www.langcafe.net/viewtopic.php?p=9476#9476
Jim   Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:32 am GMT
Ah, that's where, yes: "Americans and Canadians who 'leisure' rhymes with 'seizure' for."
Uriel   Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:08 am GMT
Were you thinking we said "plee-zhure", Jim?
eito(jpn)   Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:13 am GMT
Okay, from now on, let's spell "plesure" insted of "pleasure"! What? No?