negative force

MollyB   Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:22 am GMT
Which would you choose here?

Don: I'm worried that you'll be late.
Dan: Trust me not to/to not do that.
Travis   Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:23 am GMT
Yes, that is perfectly grammatical in my dialect. I do not use it that much, for obvious reasons, but I will readily use it when it provides the exact meaning that I want in a given case.
Travis   Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:24 am GMT
"That" being "I can't afford to not do math" in my previous post.
Travis   Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:26 am GMT
>>Which would you choose here?

Don: I'm worried that you'll be late.
Dan: Trust me not to/to not do that.<<

I would favor "Trust me to not do that" here myself.
Travis   Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:28 am GMT
>>Still, which would we prefer here?

To be or not to be? That is the question.
To be or to not be? That is the question.<<

I would probably use "To be or not to be? That is the question", but that is just because it is a well-known set phrase. Had I just created such out of whole cloth without ever having heard of the phrase, I would probably instead use "To be or to not be? That is the question."
MollyB   Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:29 am GMT
So you're a bin "fan" of "to not", right, Travis? Seems it's here to stay.
MollyB   Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:30 am GMT
Edit:

So you're a big "fan" of "to not", right, Travis? Seems it's here to stay.
Lazar   Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:30 am GMT
Hmm, my preference would be for "I can't afford not to do math", or more generally, for "afford not to" rather than "afford to not".
MollyB   Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:35 am GMT
And here, folks? Which would you use?

To not work would be my wish.
Not to work would be my wish.
Travis   Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:38 am GMT
I would favor "To not work would be my wish" myself, even though If I actually said such I would just say "My wish would be to not work."
Lazar   Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:44 am GMT
In both cases, I think I would prefer "not to work", although I guess I could conceivably say "to not work". I think your dialect has a stronger preference than mine for "to not [verb]".
MollyB   Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:45 am GMT
Increasing use of the "to not" construction seems pragmatically motivated. Do you agree?
Guest   Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:49 am GMT
How does this sound?

"I think he's faking illness just to not have to go to work today."
Travis   Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:50 am GMT
>>"I think he's faking illness just to not have to go to work today."<<

That sounds perfectly fine to me, I must say.
Travis   Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:55 am GMT
>>Increasing use of the "to not" construction seems pragmatically motivated. Do you agree?<<

I would not be surprised myself, as it makes just what is being negated less ambiguous and allows constructions like "I can't afford to not do math" possible in a way not really doable previously.