British sense of time vs. American

Jasper   Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:03 pm GMT
"LOOK AT THE SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE UK AND USA.
The USA has 133 TIMES!!! more GUN MURDERS than the UK. "

Time IS MONEY: I just don't think you care, deep down, about gun murders in the US (assuming you're not an eccentric). What's really eating you about the US is other things--issues that are affecting your own life at home. You have not divulged your national identity; are you French? For the culinary imperialism alone, I could understand a Frenchman's resentment toward the United States. (France went from Escoffier to McDonalds in just a few short decades; it must have been profoundly humiliating to the national pride.)

I'd rather hear about the honest discussion of those issues, than see you hide behind a red herring.
Jasper   Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:04 pm GMT
[>>military imperialism<<

You got it.]

Thank you, guest, for being honest.
Guest   Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:31 pm GMT
Ehhh, it's hard to define American culture. Like many observant people have said, America doesn't exist, it's only an idea.

The British gave us our civil and legal system and some degree of cultural sharing. The Germans probably have had the most influence on day-to-day American culture all over the US (not just the heavily-German Midwest); I'm not sure why, but the DNA is there. Then the culture goes region by region ... urban Northeast, rural Northeast, deep South, West Coast, etc. etc... they're all like completely different countries with their own unique cultures that aren't immediately intelligible to outsiders.

There's a reason why it's funny to Americans when foreigners think the entire US is like ... cowboys and the Wild West or whatever. That only applies to like, parts of Texas and Wyoming.

Also, people forget that the US and the England have been either enemies or really icy allies up until after WWII. For most of the history of the US, the UK was either an enemy or a rival, and there was more sympathy for Germany or whatever country an immigrant community happened to be from (Scotland, Ireland, Italy, etc.). The US/England friendship is completely recent, and the US/EU as enemies only happened when Europe began to go socialist. So, it's probably a shock for people from England to come over here expecting the US to be a close culture, when the cultural "friendship" is only really really recent. (yes, specifically England ... Scotland has always been seen in a positive light, considering how many Scottish immigrants came over here, and that they fought with the US against the English during the various wars back in the day).
Travis   Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:32 pm GMT
>>Also, people forget that the US and the England have been either enemies or really icy allies up until after WWII. For most of the history of the US, the UK was either an enemy or a rival, and there was more sympathy for Germany or whatever country an immigrant community happened to be from (Scotland, Ireland, Italy, etc.).<<

It is commonly forgotten that much of the population of the US basically were pulled kicking and screaming into WW1, involving quite a bit of nationalist extremism and general repression with respect to the (quite large, and quite ethnically conscious) ethnic German population. The elites in the US did underlyingly support the UK and France for economic reasons, but much of the population was far less sympathetic with respect to them (and even at times supportive of Germany).
Guest   Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:02 pm GMT
No good making the excuse that you don't lock your doors. We are talking about urban areas here. There is no denying that the mafia ridden, drunk filled city of Moscow is 3 times less dangerous than Washington DC, capital of the free world (and if those statistics are from 10 years ago, it's even MORE amazing, because we all know how lawless Russia was back then!)
Jasper   Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:15 pm GMT
"No good making the excuse that you don't lock your doors. We are talking about urban areas here. "

WHY are we talking about urban areas here?.... to give Europeans an excuse to bash America.

I continue to believe that no sane European could really be interested in our crime rates; there are other reasons why they hate us--reasons that affect their lives directly.

Are you going to grace us with those reasons, or hide behind the cloak of disingenuousness?
Guest   Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:22 pm GMT
No. I just want Americans to see they have serious problems at home which they should rather worry about instead of fixing *problems* on the other side of the world.