Is French on the decline

Nietzsche   Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:20 pm GMT
French is dead.

today's Guardian, Marcel Berlins approves of Jacques Chirac's walk-out from the opening session of the EU spring summit last week, prompted by a speech in English by the French leader of the EU employers' organisation. Ernest-Antoine Sellière did so because English is "the language of business". Berlins notes that he could have added "of international trade, the internet, pop music, the tourist industry and Hollywood":

French cannot compete. All it has in its favour is that it is the most beautiful language in the world, the most elegant, expressive and mellifluous. It's also the pre-eminent language of culture. But that's irrelevant if all you want is to do a deal.

What Chirac was concerned about, apparently, was that as French becomes less important on the international stage, it infiltrates and degrades French as well, which has been changing very rapidly of late, changes increasingly spearheaded by the younger generation, an example being "the language of the banlieue (slum/suburb), much in evidence last November during the riots of the disadvantaged". Of course, the language of the French slums is likely to be different from middle-class French, because they are populated by large numbers of Arabs and Africans. And as for the preponderance of English popular culture, dreck is dreck in anyone's language, but if the French have not produced a culture they consider worth keeping in the last forty years or so, you can hardly blame their youth for looking elsewhere.

Actually the real reasons French is on the decline is simply that it failed to colonise enough of the right places in the 18th and 19th centuries, and because Europe is enlarging. The British got underpopulated areas like Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and (for a while) America. It also colonised most of India and large parts of Africa. Today, English is the lingua franca in many of these places - still used officially in India and Pakistan (its replacement with Hindi being resisted by, among others, the Tamils). France first tried to grab its neighbours' countries, and got trounced. It later got north Africa (which it misruled dreadfully), the desert and semi-desert of the west African interior, Haiti, Syria, Lebanon, Québec, and a few pockets of India - mostly places where a major international language was already spoken or widely understood: Arabic.

French is still an official language in many of these places, the internationally known names of several cities in Algeria, for example, being French rather than Arabic or any other local language. Read any English guidebook of Morocco, and you will find streets being named in French, rather than Arabic or in English translations.

As for the decline of French in Europe, this was bound to happen as French ceased to be the biggest single language spoken in the EU. In the Cold War days France was the biggest country in the EU by far, and French is also spoken in Belgium, Luxembourg and parts of Italy. Italian has similar Latin roots to French, while English and German have substantial amounts of French or otherwise Latin-based vocabulary, and French is generally the first foreign language British children learn. This is not the case any longer, with the arrival of large populations of Slavs whose language has nowhere near this level of French influence, and with French being only one of four major Latin languages. Probably the EU's biggest single language is German, with eastern Germany and Austria now in the union (with speakers in France, Poland, Belgium and Italy), but because of the problems you might have in getting the Poles and Czechs to accept German as the language of European business, it's not really a viable proposition.

I find it rather amusing that Berlins thinks French culture is particularly threatened, with fewer than 100 million speaking the language worldwide - compare this with fewer than half that number speaking Polish and with other European languages with fewer than 10 million - worldwide, not just at home. What do the Lithuanians do when speaking at these summits - do they never speak any language except Lithuanian? The only reason Chirac walked out in a huff is because in bygone days, he would have been able to go to other EU countries and expect to hear French. And I'm not sure the Italians would agree that French is "the most beautiful language in the world, the most elegant, expressive and mellifluous".
Arpitan   Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:39 pm GMT
French is official in Aosta Valley (Italy) but in that region there are not French speakers. Aostans speak Arpitan, a Romance language with several distinct dialects that form a linguistic sub-group separate from Langue d'Oïl and Langue d'Oc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Proven%C3%A7al_language
Informer   Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:53 pm GMT
Famous People who speak French

This is a list of people from non-French-speaking countries/areas only. Céline Dion, for example, is not on this list because she is French-Canadian.

Alex Trebek (Canadian; gameshow host)
Ally Sheedy (American actress)
Andie MacDowell (American actress)
Angelina Jolie (American actress)
Angie Everhart (American model)
Anthony Bourdain (American chef)
Arnold Schwarzenegger (Austrian actor, governor of California)
Ashley Judd (American actress)
Boutros Boutros-Ghali (Egyptian; former UN Secretary General)
Brendan Fraser (American actor)
Brooke Shields (American actress)
Bryan Adams (Canadian singer)
Candice Bergen (American actress)
Carol Fredericks (American singer)
Charlotte Rampling (British actress)
Chloë Sevigny (American actress)
Chris de Burgh (British musician)
Christie Brinkley (American model)
Christopher Lambert (American actor)
Claudia Schiffer (German model)
Costa-Gavras (Greek filmmaker)
Cristiane Amanpour (British reporter)
Dannii Minogue (Australian singer, actress)
Danny Roberts (American actor)
David Sedaris (American essayist, radio personality)
Demis Roussos (Egyptian singer)
Eddie Izzard (British comedian)
Elle MacPherson (Australian model)
Ellen McArthur (British; World Champion in Offshore Racing)
Elizabeth Montgomery (American actress)
Elton John (British musician)
Emma Thompson (British actress)
Farah Pahlavi (Iranian empress)
Gwyneth Paltrow (American actress)
Helena Bonham Carter (British actress)
Holly Robinson Peete (American actress)
Jackie Kennedy Onassis (Former First Lady, editor)
Jacqueline Bisset (British actress)
James Lipton (American actor)
Jane Birkin (British actress)
Jane Fonda (American actress)
Jarvis Cocker (British singer)
Jean Seberg (American actress)
Jeremy Irons (British actor)
Jerry Hall (American actress)
Jim Courier (American tennis player)
Jodie Foster (American actress)
John Howe (Canadian illustrator)
John Hume (Irish; Nobel Peace Prize Laureate)
John Hurt (British actor)
John Kerry (American senator)
John Malkovich (American actor)
John McLaughlin (British musician)
John Travolta (American actor)
Johnny Depp (American actor)
Julia Child (American chef)
Julio Iglesias (Spanish singer)
Kevin Kline (American actor)
Kirk Douglas (American actor)
Kofi Anan (Ghanaian; Secretary-General of the United Nations)
Kristin Scott-Thomas (British actress)
Kylie Minogue (Australian singer)
Lance Armstrong (American cyclist)
Lauren Bacall (American actress)
Leelee Sobieski (American actress)
Leslie Nielsen (Canadian actor)
Linda Evangelista (Canadia model)
Lisa Kudrow (American actress)
Liza Minelli (American actress, singer)
Lorraine Bracco (American actress)
Louis de Bernières (British author)
Madeleine Albright (Czech; former US Secretary of State)
Madonna (American singer, actress)
Marlon Brando (American actor)
Matthew Perry (American actor)
Melanie Blatt (British singer)
Meryl Streep (American actress)
Michael York (British actor)
Mick Jagger (British musician)
Mira Sorvino (American actress)
Molly Ringwald (American actress)
Morgan Freeman (American actor)
Nana Mouskouri (Greek singer, actress)
Nastassja Kinski (German actress)
Natalie Portman (Israeli actress)
Norman Spinrad (American writer)
Oliver Stone (American filmmaker)
Omar Shariff (Egyptian actor)
Orlando Bloom (British actor)
Perez de Cuellar (Peruvian; former UN Secretary General)
Peter Ustinov (British actor)
Petula Clark (British actress, singer)
Phil Collins (British singer)
Pope John-Paul II
Prunella Scales (British actress)
Queen Elizabeth II
Richard Jordan (American actor)
Robert De Niro (American actor)
Robert Stack (American actor)
Robin Williams (American actor)
Roscoe Lee Browne (American actor)
Rudolf Miele (German; Chairman of Miele)
Rupert Everett (British actor)
Sam Waterston (American actor)
Shania Twain (Canadian singer)
Shannen Doherty (American actress)
Sigourney Weaver (American actress)
Sting (British musician)
Theo Agelopoulos (Greek filmmaker)
Tina Arena (Australian singer)
Tina Turner (American singer)
Tommy Lee Jones (American actor)
Tony Blair (British Prime Minister)
Tonya Kinzinger (American actress)
Uma Thurman (American actress)
Vanessa Redgrave (British actress)
Vicky Leandros (Greek singer)
William Hurt (American actor)
William Shatner (Canadian actor)
Woody Allen (American actor)
Yasmine Bleeth (American actress)
Informer   Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:55 pm GMT
Informer   Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:57 pm GMT
If the world speaks French, then it must be...

THE LANGUAGE OF THE STARS

We Americans do like to pause in admiration of those who are "busy being fabulous", the stars, the celebs, whose stories make them seem larger than life. Perhaps we are simply in awe of those who gambled and won in the arena of fame. They are just not like us... or are they? One thing a number of them do that we can learn to do is speak French. This page brings us information about French-speaking sports, film, TV, music and other celebrities whose legends and images are familiar to us, many of whom are American, some foreign residents, and some, just plain famous. All of them speak French, and in some cases, we present them doing just that through video.

http://www.utm.edu/staff/globeg/celebfrench.shtml
Guest   Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:57 pm GMT
Thanks for the list, I believed nobody spoke French. At least there are a few.
Visitor   Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:07 pm GMT
Thanks for the comment, I believed nobody spoke Spanish. At least there are a none. NADA

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Because nobody speaks Spanish!

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Visitor   Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:11 pm GMT
I thought Spanish is the second language of International communication. Why is it that I don't hear celebrities speak it?

Wait Arnold Schwarzenegger speaks Spanish. He nneds it because he's the governor of California, a "Hispanic Bastion" but just the phrase "Hasta la vista, baby!"

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eastlander   Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:29 pm GMT
Arnold Schwarzenegger,Sandra Bullock,Leonardo Di Caprio,Chelsea Clinton speak German,Jean Claude Van Damme,Rutger Hauer speak Dutch and German ,Jan de Bont,Paul Verhoeven speak Dutch,Doutzen Kroes speak Dutch and Frisian.German,Dutch and Frisian are languages of the stars.
Westlander   Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:34 pm GMT
<< Arnold Schwarzenegger,Sandra Bullock,Leonardo Di Caprio,Chelsea Clinton speak German,Jean Claude Van Damme,Rutger Hauer speak Dutch and German ,Jan de Bont,Paul Verhoeven speak Dutch,Doutzen Kroes speak Dutch and Frisian.German,Dutch and Frisian are languages of the stars. >>

Agree that German, Dutch, and Frisian are languages of the stars. But not Spanish.

It only shows how stupid you are because those celebs are native speakers of Dutch, German, or Flemish.
eastlander   Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:56 pm GMT
<< It only shows how stupid you are because those celebs are native speakers of Dutch, German, or Flemish>>
Michael Douglas,Chelsea Clinton are native speakers of English,but they speak German too. Who are stupid,westlander?
Guest   Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:04 pm GMT
"they speak French" or "they speak German" is too ambiguous. Are they really fluent or speak just a few words? I know that Bush's brother , former governor of Florida, is fluent in Spanish, but he is a rare exception. There are very few famous Americans who speak other languages fluently.
Möchter   Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:37 pm GMT
French is on decline in Canada, with Montreal being firmly bilingual. One can live in Montreal the whole life without having to learn a word of French.
French reality check   Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:10 am GMT
An important point from the article above.

Actually the real reasons French is on the decline is simply that it failed to colonise enough of the right places in the 18th and 19th centuries, and because Europe is enlarging. The British got underpopulated areas like Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and (for a while) America. It also colonised most of India and large parts of Africa. Today, English is the lingua franca in many of these places - still used officially in India and Pakistan (its replacement with Hindi being resisted by, among others, the Tamils). France first tried to grab its neighbours' countries, and got trounced. It later got north Africa (which it misruled dreadfully), the desert and semi-desert of the west African interior, Haiti, Syria, Lebanon, Québec, and a few pockets of India - mostly places where a major international language was already spoken or widely understood: Arabic.


As for the lists of actors above, how many of them actually speak it fluently? Also, how often do they actually need to use it? Probably not often because they speak English. Just because these people know French (to various extents) that doesn't change the fact that French is less spoken and much less useful today.
Machter   Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:36 am GMT
<< French is on decline in Canada, with Montreal being firmly bilingual. One can live in Montreal the whole life without having to learn a word of French. >>

Shut up because, you don't know what you're talking about. Most Anglos there have been gallicized. You can find people in Montreal with surnames Smith, Johnson, MacDonald, Brown etc. but monolingual in French.

Yes, it's a bilingual city but the bilingual city but the bilinguals there are the Anglos unlike before that it was the other way around. The tide has teurned.