Sorry, but I don't think that any Australian or New Zealander today would consider the UK "home". No more than I would consider the US or Canada home. Go to Australia or New Zealand first, Travis, before you make a statement like that.
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But do you at least agree that if you take all the factors into consideration, (culture, language, law, weights and measures, conventions, etc.), that 1600s and 1700s Great Britain has had a slightly larger influence than any other country on the US?
What does the US (as a whole, not any specific region) share with Germany, that it doesn't share with Britain? That is not just coincidental evolution.
>> I was speaking in terms of what individuals actively identify as not in terms of underlying cultural or linguistic ties <<
Huh? I thought that cultural and linguistic ties were exactly what we were discussing.
>> . There are places which have nfluenced the present-day culture here, which include both Grea Britain and Germany, but none of those places are home to us today. They may have been to some of older generations, bu most of those people are long gone now <<
Yes, I know. Americans tend to be very insular, and unaware of the world around them.
Huh? I thought that cultural and linguistic ties were exactly what we were discussing.
>> . There are places which have nfluenced the present-day culture here, which include both Grea Britain and Germany, but none of those places are home to us today. They may have been to some of older generations, bu most of those people are long gone now <<
Yes, I know. Americans tend to be very insular, and unaware of the world around them.
I think America has its own culture who is a combination of all the nationalities in the world, not just Europe, but Asia, Africa. That's why it's a great country.
What does the US (as a whole, not any specific region) share with Germany, that it doesn't share with Britain?
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I think people say that American with germans ancestors are numerous, and that germans settlers who came in USA between 1840 and 1900 greatly influenced the american way of life.
You don't need to react like this, to console you, german have greatly influenced UK, look you speak a germanic language.
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I think people say that American with germans ancestors are numerous, and that germans settlers who came in USA between 1840 and 1900 greatly influenced the american way of life.
You don't need to react like this, to console you, german have greatly influenced UK, look you speak a germanic language.
<<Germans have contributed to a vast number of areas in American culture and technology. Baron von Steuben, a former Prussian officer, led the reorganization of the U.S. Army during the War for Independence and helped make the victory against British troops possible. The Steinway & Sons piano manufacturing firm was founded by immigrant Heinrich Engelhard Steinweg in 1853. German settlers brought the Christmas tree custom to the United States. The Studebakers built large numbers of wagons used during the Western migration; Studebaker, like the Duesenberg brothers, later became an important early automobile manufacturer.
The influence of German cuisine is seen in the cuisine of the United States throughout the country, especially regarding pastries, meats and sausages, and above all, beer. Frankfurters (or "wieners", originating from Frankfurt and Vienna, respectively), hamburgers, bratwurst, sauerkraut, and strudel are common dishes. German bakers introduced the pretzel. Germans have almost totally dominated the beer industry since 1850.
Milwaukee was once the home to four of the world's largest German breweries (Schlitz, Blatz, Pabst, and Miller), and was the number one beer producing city in the world for many years. The historic German Milwaukee Brewery, located in "Miller Valley" at 4000 West State Street, is the oldest still-functioning major brewery in the United States.
Almost half of all current beer sales in the United States can be attributed to German immigrants, Capt. A. Pabst, Eberhard Anheuser and Adolphus Busch, who founded Anheuser-Busch in St. Louis in 1860.
One of the areas in which the influence of German cuisine is strongest is the small town Midwest.
German-American celebrations, such as Oktoberfest, German-American Day and Von Steuben Day are held regularly throughout the country. One of the largest is the German-American Steuben Parade in New York City, held every third Saturday in September. There are also major annual events in Chicago's Lincoln Square neighborhood, a traditional a center of the city's German population, in Cincinnati, where its annual Octoberfest Zinzinnati is the largest Oktoberfest outside of Germany and in Milwaukee, which celebrates its German heritage with an annual German Fest.>>
The influence of German cuisine is seen in the cuisine of the United States throughout the country, especially regarding pastries, meats and sausages, and above all, beer. Frankfurters (or "wieners", originating from Frankfurt and Vienna, respectively), hamburgers, bratwurst, sauerkraut, and strudel are common dishes. German bakers introduced the pretzel. Germans have almost totally dominated the beer industry since 1850.
Milwaukee was once the home to four of the world's largest German breweries (Schlitz, Blatz, Pabst, and Miller), and was the number one beer producing city in the world for many years. The historic German Milwaukee Brewery, located in "Miller Valley" at 4000 West State Street, is the oldest still-functioning major brewery in the United States.
Almost half of all current beer sales in the United States can be attributed to German immigrants, Capt. A. Pabst, Eberhard Anheuser and Adolphus Busch, who founded Anheuser-Busch in St. Louis in 1860.
One of the areas in which the influence of German cuisine is strongest is the small town Midwest.
German-American celebrations, such as Oktoberfest, German-American Day and Von Steuben Day are held regularly throughout the country. One of the largest is the German-American Steuben Parade in New York City, held every third Saturday in September. There are also major annual events in Chicago's Lincoln Square neighborhood, a traditional a center of the city's German population, in Cincinnati, where its annual Octoberfest Zinzinnati is the largest Oktoberfest outside of Germany and in Milwaukee, which celebrates its German heritage with an annual German Fest.>>
Are there any non-Germanic countries that have contributed to the US a lot as well? Or can we say that the US is mostly a Germanic country, influenced mainly by Britain and Germany.
>>Sorry, but I don't think that any Australian or New Zealander today would consider the UK "home". No more than I would consider the US or Canada home. Go to Australia or New Zealand first, Travis, before you make a statement like that.<<
So why have I heard of many being a wee bit upset in Australia and New Zealand when the UK, the "mother country", changed their policies not all that long ago such that people from both places were treated like just any other foreigners while people from elsewhere in the European Union were treated as if they all but lived in the UK? Obviously they had the implicit view that, yes, the UK really was the "mother country", and that they, living in what had been a dominion of the British Empire, deserved special treatment by the UK due to such.
So why have I heard of many being a wee bit upset in Australia and New Zealand when the UK, the "mother country", changed their policies not all that long ago such that people from both places were treated like just any other foreigners while people from elsewhere in the European Union were treated as if they all but lived in the UK? Obviously they had the implicit view that, yes, the UK really was the "mother country", and that they, living in what had been a dominion of the British Empire, deserved special treatment by the UK due to such.
BRIT: "Are there any non-Germanic countries that have contributed to the US a lot as well? Or can we say that the US is mostly a Germanic country, influenced mainly by Britain and Germany."
Why, sure! Apparently, you didn't read Uriel's post.
Brit, immigrants from any country have a vast influence on their descendants. In New Mexico—as Uriel has correctly pointed out—the primary influence on the culture is Latino because most of the inhabitants have Mexican blood. She has said that she feels almost no difference in culture, except for language and law, between New Mexico and Mexico when she crosses the border.
Let's expand this idea, Brit: The single most predominant bloodline, according to the US Census, is German. Now, doesn't it make plain ol' common sense that the country—in GENERAL—would reflect more of a German influence? (Of course you'll find local exceptions; no one denied that.)
It's just common sense.
Why, sure! Apparently, you didn't read Uriel's post.
Brit, immigrants from any country have a vast influence on their descendants. In New Mexico—as Uriel has correctly pointed out—the primary influence on the culture is Latino because most of the inhabitants have Mexican blood. She has said that she feels almost no difference in culture, except for language and law, between New Mexico and Mexico when she crosses the border.
Let's expand this idea, Brit: The single most predominant bloodline, according to the US Census, is German. Now, doesn't it make plain ol' common sense that the country—in GENERAL—would reflect more of a German influence? (Of course you'll find local exceptions; no one denied that.)
It's just common sense.
LARRY: "The influence of German cuisine is seen in the cuisine of the United States throughout the country, especially regarding pastries, meats and sausages, and above all, beer. Frankfurters (or "wieners", originating from Frankfurt and Vienna, respectively), hamburgers, bratwurst, sauerkraut, and strudel are common dishes. German bakers introduced the pretzel. Germans have almost totally dominated the beer industry since 1850. "
Larry, you left out the big kahuna.
It bewildered and shocked me when a Brit asked me once: "What is meatloaf?"
Why, meatloaf is about as American as apple pie; I couldn't imagine a denizen from our Mother Country not even knowing what meatloaf was. Meatloaf is to America as, say, Marmite or Shephard's Pie is to the UK.
Guess where it came from? Germany.
Larry, you left out the big kahuna.
It bewildered and shocked me when a Brit asked me once: "What is meatloaf?"
Why, meatloaf is about as American as apple pie; I couldn't imagine a denizen from our Mother Country not even knowing what meatloaf was. Meatloaf is to America as, say, Marmite or Shephard's Pie is to the UK.
Guess where it came from? Germany.
>> So why have I heard of many being a wee bit upset in Australia and New Zealand when the UK, the "mother country", changed their policies not all that long ago such that people from both places were treated like just any other foreigners while people from elsewhere in the European Union were treated as if they al but lived in the UK? Obviously they had the implicit view that, yes the UK really was the "mother country", and that they, living in what had been a dominion of the British Empire, deserved specia treatment by the UK due to such <<
That doesn't prove anything. Many people from the US and Canada that go to the UK also share that view, as we've discussed before.
That doesn't prove anything. Many people from the US and Canada that go to the UK also share that view, as we've discussed before.
>> dominant bloodline, according to the US Census, is German. Now, doesn't i make plain ol' common sense that the country—in GENERAL— would reflect more of a German influence? <<
Then why is English the de facto official language in the US? And why do few Americans feel any more connection to Germany than they would feel towards Italy, or Sweden?
Then why is English the de facto official language in the US? And why do few Americans feel any more connection to Germany than they would feel towards Italy, or Sweden?
AMERICAN: "Then why is English the de facto official language in the US? And why do few Americans feel any more connection to Germany than they would feel towards Italy, or Sweden?"
Political reasons. The original 13 colonies were English. But this fact does not take into account the immigration patterns, does it?
Political reasons. The original 13 colonies were English. But this fact does not take into account the immigration patterns, does it?
I think that the fact that the US was a colony of Britain is much more significant than immigration patterns, as immigrants try to fit into the new country.