Spain GDP (per capita) 30 000 $
Romania GDP (per capita) 12 000 $
Romania GDP (per capita) 12 000 $
Which Romance language sounds more Slavic?
I dont know who said Brazilian Portuguese sounded like spanish. Living abroad for 12 years, most of the comments I got were "What language are you speaking" because most people would not recognize it at all.
1.You should learn first your own history and than point the fingers on otehrs. You should learn and be ashamed of yourselves when you speak against the others:
2. Across Romanians you should show more respect especially for the volunteers who left Romania especialy for fighting in your civil war against the comunists. But to show respect, you need a special moral education what you guys, and any other like you, obviousley don't have.
Read here:
"Originally, slaves have been used in America by the Spanish since the beginning of the 1500's. In 1619, when a Spanish ship sent a cargo of Africans to colonial Jamestown, Africans were used as indentured servants".
"Joining EU, Spain has had an incredible transformation in the last two decades, but it was not long ago that the country was poor, based on an agricultural economy and the income sent back from family working in France, Italy, Germany and elsewhere in Europe. The Spanish were the underclass of Europe and their workers did a lot of the heavy-lifting construction and other manual labor throughout the wealthier part of the continent. So much of modern day Paris is built by Spanish hands. Thus wealthier now, the Spanish emphasize with the poorer Moroccans, Africans and Columbian who do the work in Spain - it is immigrants who are behind the previous construction boom in the country - which the Spanish themselves used to do elsewhere."
Source: The Economist.
you emigrated everywere and now, you raise the voice against the otheres?
"Jose Moya attempted to draw broader conclusions concerning the Spanish immigrant's experience in Argentina, covering many aspects of their attempts at adaptation, from where they chose to live, how they formed neighborhoods, their occupations, and their occupational mobility. Moya compares these experiences with those of other nationalities to determine if there are any traits that can be called common for immigrants and which, if any, can be attributed to the Spanish immigrant as Spaniard. In the end, Moya found that "Spaniards behaved, in terms of their emigration and adaptation, not like cousins and strangers but like immigrants," finding more similarities with other ethnic immigrants in their adaptive strategies".
"In the first century of Spain's presence in the New World, many of the explorers and soldiers came from Andalucía (in the South) and Extremadura (in the West), two of the poorest regions of the country. The early and lasting influence of these immigrants explains why the standard dialect spoken today in the Western Hemisphere retains the pronunciation used in the South, instead of the characteristics of the older variant still spoken by those living north of Madrid. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries the region that has produced the most emigrants has been Galicia, together with similar parts of Old Castile that border it on the south. During most of this time Galicia has been an isolated, un-industrialized corner of the peninsula. Its inheritance laws either divided farms among all the siblings in a family, resulting in unworkably small minifundios, or denied land entirely to all but the first born. In either case the competition for land was intense, compelling many Galicians to seek their fortunes elsewhere."
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As speaking about Economy, judge by yourself what Romania could be (at least by comparation with Spain) if the country wouldn't run under the comunist rules after the second ww:
"After World War I, the application of radical agricultural reforms and the passing of a new constitution created a democratic framework and allowed for quick economic growth (industrial production doubled between 1923-1938, despite the effects of the Great Depression). With oil production of 7.2 million tons in 1937, Romania ranked second in Europe and seventh in the world. In 1938, national income reached $94, surpassing other present-day developed European countries such as Greece ($76) or Portugal ($81). " (Wapedia).
I need to add here that in cereals production, Romania was in 1938 the second biggest exporter in the world after Argentina. Think before you open the mouth! Hitler started an war but USA, ENGLAND and USSR plaied with the pensel on the world map establishing "zones of influence". Chruchil and Stalin especially distributed the sovjet influences as following:
- over Romania - 90%
- on Bulgaria - 60%
- on Hungary - 60%
- on Yougolsavia - 50%
and so on...but Romania was efectivley ginve to the sovjets by the will of Chruchil, Rosevelt and Stalin. You guys, have been just luckier to not be part of it, that's all.
2. Across Romanians you should show more respect especially for the volunteers who left Romania especialy for fighting in your civil war against the comunists. But to show respect, you need a special moral education what you guys, and any other like you, obviousley don't have.
Read here:
"Originally, slaves have been used in America by the Spanish since the beginning of the 1500's. In 1619, when a Spanish ship sent a cargo of Africans to colonial Jamestown, Africans were used as indentured servants".
"Joining EU, Spain has had an incredible transformation in the last two decades, but it was not long ago that the country was poor, based on an agricultural economy and the income sent back from family working in France, Italy, Germany and elsewhere in Europe. The Spanish were the underclass of Europe and their workers did a lot of the heavy-lifting construction and other manual labor throughout the wealthier part of the continent. So much of modern day Paris is built by Spanish hands. Thus wealthier now, the Spanish emphasize with the poorer Moroccans, Africans and Columbian who do the work in Spain - it is immigrants who are behind the previous construction boom in the country - which the Spanish themselves used to do elsewhere."
Source: The Economist.
you emigrated everywere and now, you raise the voice against the otheres?
"Jose Moya attempted to draw broader conclusions concerning the Spanish immigrant's experience in Argentina, covering many aspects of their attempts at adaptation, from where they chose to live, how they formed neighborhoods, their occupations, and their occupational mobility. Moya compares these experiences with those of other nationalities to determine if there are any traits that can be called common for immigrants and which, if any, can be attributed to the Spanish immigrant as Spaniard. In the end, Moya found that "Spaniards behaved, in terms of their emigration and adaptation, not like cousins and strangers but like immigrants," finding more similarities with other ethnic immigrants in their adaptive strategies".
"In the first century of Spain's presence in the New World, many of the explorers and soldiers came from Andalucía (in the South) and Extremadura (in the West), two of the poorest regions of the country. The early and lasting influence of these immigrants explains why the standard dialect spoken today in the Western Hemisphere retains the pronunciation used in the South, instead of the characteristics of the older variant still spoken by those living north of Madrid. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries the region that has produced the most emigrants has been Galicia, together with similar parts of Old Castile that border it on the south. During most of this time Galicia has been an isolated, un-industrialized corner of the peninsula. Its inheritance laws either divided farms among all the siblings in a family, resulting in unworkably small minifundios, or denied land entirely to all but the first born. In either case the competition for land was intense, compelling many Galicians to seek their fortunes elsewhere."
"
As speaking about Economy, judge by yourself what Romania could be (at least by comparation with Spain) if the country wouldn't run under the comunist rules after the second ww:
"After World War I, the application of radical agricultural reforms and the passing of a new constitution created a democratic framework and allowed for quick economic growth (industrial production doubled between 1923-1938, despite the effects of the Great Depression). With oil production of 7.2 million tons in 1937, Romania ranked second in Europe and seventh in the world. In 1938, national income reached $94, surpassing other present-day developed European countries such as Greece ($76) or Portugal ($81). " (Wapedia).
I need to add here that in cereals production, Romania was in 1938 the second biggest exporter in the world after Argentina. Think before you open the mouth! Hitler started an war but USA, ENGLAND and USSR plaied with the pensel on the world map establishing "zones of influence". Chruchil and Stalin especially distributed the sovjet influences as following:
- over Romania - 90%
- on Bulgaria - 60%
- on Hungary - 60%
- on Yougolsavia - 50%
and so on...but Romania was efectivley ginve to the sovjets by the will of Chruchil, Rosevelt and Stalin. You guys, have been just luckier to not be part of it, that's all.
^i suppose you're right about the yalta conference's effects
for some reason i remember reading the random facts that romania is the second largest plum producer after the U.S. and has the 4th fastest internet speeds somehow. i know it also exports wine among other things like oil of course
for some reason i remember reading the random facts that romania is the second largest plum producer after the U.S. and has the 4th fastest internet speeds somehow. i know it also exports wine among other things like oil of course
no seriously, i think it had to do with the fact that most people didn't have it until recently, and now everyone is getting high speed, as opposed to other countries where the internet was more widespread for a longer time, and many still have slower speeds of older connections.
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/roundup/2010/01/25/roundup-st-04
but anyway this has gotten way too much off topic; my bad.
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/roundup/2010/01/25/roundup-st-04
but anyway this has gotten way too much off topic; my bad.
Spanish history
35,000 - 5,000BC The Iberians. Original stone age inhabitants.
5,000 - 1,000BC Various immigrants including Jews and Celts
1,100BC Phoenicians founded the city of Gadir (Cadiz)
550BC Greek occupation
219BC - 202BC Carthaginian occupation and the Punic wars with the Romans
200BC - 400AD Roman occupation
468 - 537 Visigoths ally with Romans against the barbarian hordes from the north
537 - 711 Visigoth occupation
711 - 1492 Moorish occupation (Arabs and North African Berbers)
1492 Christian occupation begun by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella
Records exist of their arrival in Spain as early as 1425 in Zaragoza, capital of Aragon. The majority entered via Barcelona (in Catalonia) in 1447.
When the official persecution began against moors and jews in 1492 as an attempt to cleanse the Iberian peninsula of non-christian groups, the gypsies were included in the list of peoples to be assimilated or driven out. For some 300 years, gypsies were subject to laws and prejudice designed to eliminate them from Spain. Settlements were broken up, gypsies were required to marry non-gypsies, and they were denied their language and rituals as well as well being excluded from public office and from craft membership. For example, in 1560 Spanish legislation forbade gitanos from travelling in groups of more than two. Gypsy dress and clothing was banned
Gitanos and hungaros (Hungarians emanating from central Europe) make up the two major groups of Spanish gypsies who now live predominantly in southern Spain. Many of them have integrated into the social structure despite being generally poor and largely illiterate. Traditionally they worked as blacksmiths, horse traders, musicians, dancers and fortunetellers.
Others still had to beg and steal, especially the hungaros who were poorer than the gitanos and lived an exclusively nomadic lifestyle, usually in tents or shacks (casitas) on the outskirts of the larger cities. They were much more of a problem for Spanish authorities. Many gitanos denied the hungaros the status of being in their same ethnic group, but the authorities and outsiders still tend to regard them all collectively as gypsies.
Gypsies have a distinctive cultural and linguistic heritage, so the challenge is to see how preservation and integration can succeed without persecution.
The Andalusians are not an ethnically distinct people but they do constitute a culturally distinct region of about 7 million people. They populate Spain's eight southernmost provinces: Sevilla, Malaga, Almeria, Cadiz, Cordoba, Granada, Huelva and Jaen.
The region has suffered depopulation in recent times caused by rural poverty and landlessness as well as a rigid class structure and emigration to industrial cities and to other parts of Europe.
Some andalusian gypsies settled in Triana on the Guadalquivir river in Sevilla, which has made it an important flamenco centre today. Others went further south to contribute to the so-called cradle of the song (la cuna del cante) in Jerez de la Frontera (Cadiz province). The more rhythmical flamenco forms from this area evidence the predominance of gypsies in the cante flamenco (flamenco song) or more precisely the cante hondo (deep song) - these are the more difficult styles to interpret in flamenco today, and styles in which the gypsies reign supreme.
Look into your backyard, Franco! It doesn't look very well either! And by the way, be more repsectful towards the gyspies because without them, Spanish music would have been pretty poor today!
35,000 - 5,000BC The Iberians. Original stone age inhabitants.
5,000 - 1,000BC Various immigrants including Jews and Celts
1,100BC Phoenicians founded the city of Gadir (Cadiz)
550BC Greek occupation
219BC - 202BC Carthaginian occupation and the Punic wars with the Romans
200BC - 400AD Roman occupation
468 - 537 Visigoths ally with Romans against the barbarian hordes from the north
537 - 711 Visigoth occupation
711 - 1492 Moorish occupation (Arabs and North African Berbers)
1492 Christian occupation begun by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella
Records exist of their arrival in Spain as early as 1425 in Zaragoza, capital of Aragon. The majority entered via Barcelona (in Catalonia) in 1447.
When the official persecution began against moors and jews in 1492 as an attempt to cleanse the Iberian peninsula of non-christian groups, the gypsies were included in the list of peoples to be assimilated or driven out. For some 300 years, gypsies were subject to laws and prejudice designed to eliminate them from Spain. Settlements were broken up, gypsies were required to marry non-gypsies, and they were denied their language and rituals as well as well being excluded from public office and from craft membership. For example, in 1560 Spanish legislation forbade gitanos from travelling in groups of more than two. Gypsy dress and clothing was banned
Gitanos and hungaros (Hungarians emanating from central Europe) make up the two major groups of Spanish gypsies who now live predominantly in southern Spain. Many of them have integrated into the social structure despite being generally poor and largely illiterate. Traditionally they worked as blacksmiths, horse traders, musicians, dancers and fortunetellers.
Others still had to beg and steal, especially the hungaros who were poorer than the gitanos and lived an exclusively nomadic lifestyle, usually in tents or shacks (casitas) on the outskirts of the larger cities. They were much more of a problem for Spanish authorities. Many gitanos denied the hungaros the status of being in their same ethnic group, but the authorities and outsiders still tend to regard them all collectively as gypsies.
Gypsies have a distinctive cultural and linguistic heritage, so the challenge is to see how preservation and integration can succeed without persecution.
The Andalusians are not an ethnically distinct people but they do constitute a culturally distinct region of about 7 million people. They populate Spain's eight southernmost provinces: Sevilla, Malaga, Almeria, Cadiz, Cordoba, Granada, Huelva and Jaen.
The region has suffered depopulation in recent times caused by rural poverty and landlessness as well as a rigid class structure and emigration to industrial cities and to other parts of Europe.
Some andalusian gypsies settled in Triana on the Guadalquivir river in Sevilla, which has made it an important flamenco centre today. Others went further south to contribute to the so-called cradle of the song (la cuna del cante) in Jerez de la Frontera (Cadiz province). The more rhythmical flamenco forms from this area evidence the predominance of gypsies in the cante flamenco (flamenco song) or more precisely the cante hondo (deep song) - these are the more difficult styles to interpret in flamenco today, and styles in which the gypsies reign supreme.
Look into your backyard, Franco! It doesn't look very well either! And by the way, be more repsectful towards the gyspies because without them, Spanish music would have been pretty poor today!
When we speak abou Japan , South Korea ,Hong Kong your supposition : " it had to do with the fact that most people didn't have it until recently, and now everyone is getting high speed, as opposed to other countries where the internet was more widespread for a longer time, and many still have slower speeds of older connections" doesn't make any sense! It must be something else the reason for that, don't you think?
In Spain, "gypsies were required to marry non-gypsies" ...and so has been Franco from this forum, born!
Aren't you Romanians ashamed of living in such a poor country? I don't understand why you were admited in the European Union. What's next, Turkey?
<<Aren't you Romanians ashamed of living in such a poor country? I don't understand why you were admited in the European Union. What's next, Turkey?
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The Turks are richer than the Roms. According to Wikipedia GDP of Turkey is $10,479 and Romania's is $9310. Turkey does not receive European funds unlike Romania.
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The Turks are richer than the Roms. According to Wikipedia GDP of Turkey is $10,479 and Romania's is $9310. Turkey does not receive European funds unlike Romania.
The accession of Romania to the European Union has given the Union access to the Black Sea.
Member State
(2008) GDP
per capita
European Union 33,700
Romania 12,200
Romania has joined the EU just 3 years ago and almost reached the midle of the GDP level at EU old memeber scale. What if Spain or Italy would have been forced to live (as they deserved as real fascist countries), udner a sovjet dicatorship?
The Romanian economy has sometimes been referred as the "Tiger of the Eastern Europe. Romania is a country of considerable economic potential: over 10 million hectares of agricultural land, diverse energy sources (coal, oil, natural gas, hydro, nuclear and wind), a substantial, if aging, manufacturing base and opportunities for expanded development in tourism on the Black Sea and in the mountains.
Matteo, Italy is Romania's largest trading partner; two-way trade totalled some $22.6 billion in 2007. The principal Italy exports to Romania include computers, integrated circuits, aircraft parts and other defense equipment, wheat, and automobiles. Romania's chief exports to Italy include cut diamonds, jewelry, integrated circuits, printing machinery, and telecommunications equipment.
2.8% of the country's GDP is derived from Agricultural activity. While Romania imports substantial quantities of grain, it is largely self-sufficient in other agricultural products and food stuffs, due to the fact that food must be regulated for sale in the Romania retail market, and hence imports almost no food products from other countries.
The EU is Romania's main partner in the trade with agri-food products. The exports to this destination represent 64%, and the imports from the EU countries represent 54%. Other important partners are the CEFTA countries, Turkey, Republic of Moldova and the USA. Romania is one of the world's major exporters of military equipment, accounting for 3-4% of the world total in 2007. That's a poor country? An why shoudl somebody be ashamed by living in a poor country, have you been 3 decades ago? Don't you feel ashamed for being so stupid?
Romania gives you food/natural food and you are wondering why Romania was accepted int EU? Do you realy think that Eu was so generous with Romania, without to think first at its own advantages? Eu was afraid that USA will step in ROmania and compete Eu right friom tehre. I realy regret that this didn't happened! You, the creators of fascism, mafia and so many other evil things don't deserve to be treated as partner nor by Romania, nor by anybody else!
Member State
(2008) GDP
per capita
European Union 33,700
Romania 12,200
Romania has joined the EU just 3 years ago and almost reached the midle of the GDP level at EU old memeber scale. What if Spain or Italy would have been forced to live (as they deserved as real fascist countries), udner a sovjet dicatorship?
The Romanian economy has sometimes been referred as the "Tiger of the Eastern Europe. Romania is a country of considerable economic potential: over 10 million hectares of agricultural land, diverse energy sources (coal, oil, natural gas, hydro, nuclear and wind), a substantial, if aging, manufacturing base and opportunities for expanded development in tourism on the Black Sea and in the mountains.
Matteo, Italy is Romania's largest trading partner; two-way trade totalled some $22.6 billion in 2007. The principal Italy exports to Romania include computers, integrated circuits, aircraft parts and other defense equipment, wheat, and automobiles. Romania's chief exports to Italy include cut diamonds, jewelry, integrated circuits, printing machinery, and telecommunications equipment.
2.8% of the country's GDP is derived from Agricultural activity. While Romania imports substantial quantities of grain, it is largely self-sufficient in other agricultural products and food stuffs, due to the fact that food must be regulated for sale in the Romania retail market, and hence imports almost no food products from other countries.
The EU is Romania's main partner in the trade with agri-food products. The exports to this destination represent 64%, and the imports from the EU countries represent 54%. Other important partners are the CEFTA countries, Turkey, Republic of Moldova and the USA. Romania is one of the world's major exporters of military equipment, accounting for 3-4% of the world total in 2007. That's a poor country? An why shoudl somebody be ashamed by living in a poor country, have you been 3 decades ago? Don't you feel ashamed for being so stupid?
Romania gives you food/natural food and you are wondering why Romania was accepted int EU? Do you realy think that Eu was so generous with Romania, without to think first at its own advantages? Eu was afraid that USA will step in ROmania and compete Eu right friom tehre. I realy regret that this didn't happened! You, the creators of fascism, mafia and so many other evil things don't deserve to be treated as partner nor by Romania, nor by anybody else!
Spain has one of the highest child poverty rates in Europe, according to a new study by the Caixa savings bank foundation.
The report on social inclusion showed that 24% of children suffered moderate poverty, 10.3% high poverty and 5.4% severe poverty, making the numbers the highest in the 15 countries of the earlier European Union.
Moderate poverty was defined in the survey as being those who earn less than 60% of the average earnings nationally, which in Spain converts to those who earn less than 6,860 € a year.
High poverty is those who earn less than 40% of the average, 4,573 € a year, and severe poverty those who earn less than 25% of the average, 3,219 € a year.
Using those numbers the study concludes that 19% of the Spanish population is poor. In other words there are nine million people in total and 1.7 million children at risk.
The children of immigrants are twice as likely to be poor, and three times as likely to be in the severe poverty category. 52% of non-UE immigrant children live in moderate poverty, 32% in high poverty and 28% in severe poverty.
Are you not ashamed Franco, to live in such a poor country? (Just kiding...it is sad, not shame to live like that today!)
The report on social inclusion showed that 24% of children suffered moderate poverty, 10.3% high poverty and 5.4% severe poverty, making the numbers the highest in the 15 countries of the earlier European Union.
Moderate poverty was defined in the survey as being those who earn less than 60% of the average earnings nationally, which in Spain converts to those who earn less than 6,860 € a year.
High poverty is those who earn less than 40% of the average, 4,573 € a year, and severe poverty those who earn less than 25% of the average, 3,219 € a year.
Using those numbers the study concludes that 19% of the Spanish population is poor. In other words there are nine million people in total and 1.7 million children at risk.
The children of immigrants are twice as likely to be poor, and three times as likely to be in the severe poverty category. 52% of non-UE immigrant children live in moderate poverty, 32% in high poverty and 28% in severe poverty.
Are you not ashamed Franco, to live in such a poor country? (Just kiding...it is sad, not shame to live like that today!)
@ Franco
"Spain GDP (per capita) 30 000 $ "
that's not true
Spain GDP per capita was €22,486 in 2008
"Spain GDP (per capita) 30 000 $ "
that's not true
Spain GDP per capita was €22,486 in 2008