Which Romance language sounds more Slavic?

sloppy joe   Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:55 pm GMT
Well, either way, regardless of what theory you believe, it seems Romanians mainly come from some kind of predominantly native or paleo-Balkan people, whether Dacian, Thracian, or Illyrian (who were in some way all related), with a slight Roman and perhaps Slavic addition later.

http://www.imninalu.net/myths-Vlach.htm

But who cares today anyway. It shouldn't really matter anymore. It's just Eastern Europe now.
OriginalGuest   Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:58 pm GMT
There is one easy way to avoid diacritics, use the Cyrillic alphabet :) The Cyrillic alphabet was the main alphabet used by the Romanians for centuries and it works great for the Romanian language. Дар кириличеле сынт консидерате русешти ну ромынешти дин пэкате дин кауза пропагандеи.
Franco   Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:08 pm GMT
In my opinion the Latin alphabet is only suited for phonetically simple languages like Spanish, Greek and Italian. Other languages should use other alphabets, IPA or create their own alphabet.
Reason Is My Religion   Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:55 am GMT
A small correction   Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:20 am GMT
<<Дар кириличеле сынт консидерате русешти ну ромынешти дин пэкате дин кауза пропагандеи.>>

Incorrect. It should be more like:

Дар кириличеле с↑т консидерате русещь ну ромынещь дин пэкате дин кауза пропагандей.
For all idiots from above   Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:23 pm GMT
Many nations switched from one alphabet to another, and the reasons for that are known only by educated people which obvioulsey, it is not case of diletants like ravenescu, franco, reason is my religion and othere preistorical characters like those.
The Ostrogoths of ancient Germany and ITALY and the Visigoths of Eastern Europe and SPAIN spoke Gothic.
look how the Gothic alphabet looks like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_alphabet

The first alphabet was invented by Semitic-speakers in the ancient Near East. The Canaanite and later Phoenician alphabets had only consonants, with no vowels. The Greeks derived their alphabet from the Phoenician alphabet and added vowels, thereby producing the first true alphabet.

The Greeks brought A WESTERN FORM OF THE GREEK ALPHABETH TO ITALY , and the Etruscans acquired the alphabet from them. THE ETRUSCAN PASSED THEN THEIR ALPHABETH TO THE ROMANS.

The English language was first written in the Anglo-Saxon futhorc runic alphabet, in use from the fifth century. This alphabet was brought to what is now England, along with the proto-form of the language itself, by Anglo-Saxon settlers. Very few examples of this form of written Old English have survived, these being mostly short inscriptions or fragments.

The Latin alphabet, introduced by Christian missionaries, began to replace the Anglo-Saxon futhorc from about the seventh century, although the two continued in parallel for some time. Futhorc influenced the Latin alphabet by providing it with the letters thorn (Þ þ) and wynn (Ƿ ƿ). The letter eth (Ð ð) was later devised as a modification of d, and finally yogh (Ȝ ȝ) was created by Norman scribes from the insular g in Old English and Irish, and used alongside their Carolingian g.

In the year 1011, a writer named Byrhtferð ordered the Old English alphabet for numerological purposes.

The Etruscan alphabet was diffused at the end of the Archaic period, around 500 CE, into northern Italy and became the model for the alphabets of the Alpine populations.

Then, for the IBERIAN people (regions of actual Spain and Portugal) we can find the same or very similar symbols as in different cultures around the world. In a VERY simple way, this is the sequence: phoenician - greek - etruscan - latin. And from phoenician alphabet = iberian alphabet = norse runes (this is one of the theories, there are a bunch of others). There is also a resembling between Iberian alphabet and letters of the South ARABIAN script, Tifinag and many others.

Linguists say that Iberian alphabet is the result of the Tartessian alphabet (9th century BC, derived from Phoenician alphabet) and a certain Greek influence ???.

The first type of alphabet that was developed was the ABJAD. An abjad is an alphabetic writing system where there is one symbol per consonant. Abjads differ from regular alphabets in that they only have characters for consonantal sounds. Vowels are not usually marked in abjad.

All known abjads (except maybe Tifinagh) belong to the Semitic family of scripts, and derive from the original Northern Linear Abjad. The reason for this is that Semitic languages and the related Berber languages have a morphemic structure which makes the denotation of vowels redundant in most cases.

Some abjads (like Arabic and Hebrew) have markings for vowels as well, but only use them in special contexts, such as for teaching. Many scripts derived from abjads have been extended with vowel symbols to become full alphabets, the most famous case being the derivation of the Greek alphabet from the Phoenician abjad. This has mostly happened when the script was adapted to a non-Semitic language.

The term abjad takes its name from the old order of the Arabic alphabet's consonants Alif, B�, Jim, D�l, though the word may have earlier roots in Phoenician or Ugaritic.

Abjad is still the word for alphabet in Arabic and Indonesian.

In conclusion, the Slavonic alphabeth was replaced by the Latin one in the same circumstances and conditions as in so many other places aorund the world.

Herodotus, wrote about Thracians: "...after the Indians, the Thracian people constituted the largest ethnicity among all the rest of the world's races. Should they benefit from one ruling only and be spiritually united, they might succeed to become, in my opinion, absolutely undefeatable and to surpass, by far, the greatness of all the other Earth's proud races. The Thracians bear many names, each one according to their living regions, yet all of them show, through almost everything, highly similar customs".
Because of their philosophy and beliefs, Herodot described the Dacians as "the bravest and the most righteous of all the Thracians".
Based on the above information, we can understand how was possible to find the basic philosophy and beliefs of the Dacian priests spreaded, throughout the Europe.

Now, if the Thracians constituted the largest ethnicity among all races of the world, where and how could they so simple disappear without trace?

If Romanians are not the " Thracians/Dacians 'traces" descendants, who are they and where are they coming from? How could they be/became the most numerous population in the Carpathian basin (former Dacia, actual Romania)?

These are questions what Hungary's historians are not able to answer but they insist on and to promote the absurd migrations theory of Roesler, (that the Romanians immigrated from the southern of the Danube into the north). What a nonsense, naive and especially a waste of time from the others who tries to debate this with those pseudohistorians (who cannot handle the truth)...

For a better information and for whoever wants to know more about history, see this site:

http://www.angelfire.com/realm/vlachs/
Mari   Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:48 pm GMT
Daca ar fi adevarata ipoteza latinizarii fortate a limbii romane ce explicatie se poate da caracterului unitar al limbii romane , caracter care din cate stiu este destul de putin intalnit printre limbile europene. De la Nistru pana la DUNARE , de la Tisa pana la Marea Neagra , toti romanii vorbesc aceeasi limba , care cu foarte mici exceptii este foarte apropiata de limba literara . Romanul din sudul tarii vorbeste aceeasi limba cu romanul din Republica Moldova .
De fapt caracterul unic unitar se poate explica prin faptul ca poate cativa colonisti romani, ocupand numai aproximativ un sfert din Dacia nu au reusit ( logic) sa schimbe limba tuturor dacilor ci au invatat ei limba localnicilor . Alte zone din Europa au fost ocupate mai mult decat aproximativ 150 ani cum a fost Dacia si nu au fost latinizate pana la a-si schimba total limba . Poate ca vorbim de fapt limba vechilor Daci sau a tracilor .
iullian   Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:09 pm GMT
"For all idiots from above" ...great article. Nations, not even ancient ones can't just dissappear into thin air. I applaud!
iullian   Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:26 pm GMT
The REintroduction of latin alpahbet in the 19th century gave romanian the original latin flexibility of expression and literature just skyroketed with the creations of writers like Titu Maiorescu, Mihai Eminescu, Ion Slavici, Vasile Alecsandri, Veronica Micle, George Bacovia, Octavian Goga, Tudor Arghezi ...and i can go on for another 3 pages, at least.
Franco   Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:26 pm GMT
The Goths in Spain never used any alphabet appart from the Latin one and they didn't speak Gothic but Vulgar Latin . The Goths were culturally Romance people by the time they invaded Spain.
Franco   Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:31 pm GMT
Also after having crossed the whole Europe until they reached Spain I bet they were far from being pure Germanic from the racial point of view but half Slavic and half Germanic, or half Germanic half anything else. If they were pure Germanic they would have defeated the Muslims easily. This task was done by the Celtiberians during eight tortuous centuries as most of the Visigooths assimilated to Islam or fled to Gaul withoug fighting.
To franco   Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:40 pm GMT
we cannot bet, we have to know...If you don't have the knowleadge, you better don't say anything...

Your coments are generaly full of bulshit but this one about the "romance Goths" run over the board! Pretty sad!
Franco   Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:45 pm GMT
The Visigoths were the shame of the Germanic people and Spain had the disgrace to host them.
what are you talking abou   Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:12 pm GMT
When the Goths invaded the Iberian regions, Spain didn't even exists?

King Ferdinand (AD 1452-1516) and Queen Isabella (1451-1504) married in 1469 and united the kingdoms of Aragón and Castile to form the basis of modern Spain. Their life work as joint rulers revived the movement toward a Christian unification of Spain
Franco   Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:21 pm GMT
Spain is the evolution of the name Hispania. Spain exists since Roman times.