Vive Le Quebec libre
=>>>If they do not want to learn French then yes, I believe that they have no right to live in Quebec. <<
My, what a tolerant society you envision as your paradise!
MY great-grandparents lived in the US their entire adult lives without speaking a word of English, and no one ever felt that they needed to be kicked out! <=
Uriel, I guess that's their famouse LATIN CULTURE.You know , the one on which the rest of the world should be jealous.
" Quebec has 7 million yet it's 3 times as big as France. How do they expect to run the country? "
7 millions... it is huge in Europe a lot of countries this kind of population :
- Sweden
- Norway
- Switzerland
- Denmark
- etc...
And other much more less
- Luxembourg
- monaco
- Andora
- Lichtenstein
- San marino
- ect.
These countries have some of highest level of life in the planet...
I don't see why being a little country would be a problem. By the way netherlands is not a big country and not a big population either, And I think its works quite well, no ?
=>7 millions... it is huge in Europe a lot of countries this kind of population<=
LOL,well someone didn't pay attencion in geography.LOL
All those countries are, what, 30/20/10 times as small as Quebec...
=>By the way netherlands is not a big country and not a big population either<=
No? The Netherlands has one of the highest populations in the world.
No? The Netherlands has one of the highest populations in the world>
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You lol all you want.
With 466.45 people per sqkm our population density is one of the highest in the world.
"density is one of the highest in the world"
That must explain why it smells so bad.
Sander:
One sigle state of my country "The State of Durango" (a small one by the way) is so much bigger in territory than your country of Netherlands.
So then how can I consider the population of the Netherlands high if it can fits without a problem in a very small state of my country.
For most of the countries of America the population of Netherlands is insignificant.
A few Mexican States compared in area with the Netherlands:
Durango area: 123,181 km²
Baja California Norte: 69,921
Baja California Sur: 73,475
Sonora:182,052
Chihuahua: 244,938
Guerrero: 64,281
Oaxaca: 93,952
Jalisco: 80,386
Chiapas: 74,211
Netherlands area: 41,526 km² LOL
I must apologize, Durango is not a small state in Mexico, even that compared with some US States or Canadian provinces it looks quite small.
Aldbarán,
=>A few Mexican States compared in area with the Netherlands<=
Why would we compare some Mexican states with the Netherlands? Why don't we take the ENTIRE COUNTRY?!
Just a small overview on different fronts...
(GPD per capita)
Mexico: $9472.43 per person (ranking:82
Netherlands: $29321.97 per person (ranking:21)
(Economic importance)
Mexico: 5.6 (ranking: 14)
Netherlands: 5.9 (ranking:13)
(Economic freedom )
Mexico: 2.2 (ranking: 59)
Netherlands: 3.1 (ranking: 11)
(Human Development)
Mexico: 0.796 (ranking 52)
Netherlands: 0.935 (ranking 8)
(Murders)
Mexico: 13,829 (ranking: 5)
Netherlands: 183 (ranking 40)
(Economic aid given to less developed countries per capita)
Mexico: not on the list. (because it's a less developed country)
Netherlands:$243.79 per person (ranking: 4)
(Average Life expectancy at birth)
Mexico: 75.19 years (ranking: 76)
Netherlands: 78.81 years (ranking: 30)
(Olympic medals per 1 million people)
Mexico: 0.00 gold medals per 1 million people (ranking: 47)
Netherlands:0.73 gold medals per 1 million people (ranking: 8)
(Governmental Corruption , 10 = highly corrupt 0 = very clean)
Mexico: 6.4 (ranking: 67)
Netherlands: 1.1 (ranking: 124)
(Population below poverty line)
Mexico: 40% (ranking: 54)
Netherlands: 3,9% (ranking: 123)
(Litteracy)
Mexico: 92.2% (ranking: 102)
Netherlands: 99,9% (ranking: 6)
(Help given to the South Asian Tsunami victims)
Mexico: Not on the list (but to give you an idea, the last on the list Bulgaria gave $140.000)
Netherlands:$446,500,000 (ranking: 6)
(Most educated)
Mexico: 11.5 (ranking:54 )
Netherlands: 15.9 (ranking: 7)
(Civil and political liberties , 7 = High Levels of Liberties 1 = Low Levels of Liberties)
Mexico: 4.5 (ranking: 53)
Netherlands: 7 (ranking: 1)
You can say a lot of things Aldbarán but be very carefull in underestimating the Netherlands.Just because they're small doesn't mean they're bad or inferior.Just look at the stats...
Sander: Lol. You are so animated here!
I notice an interesting dichotomy here. The francophones are generally in favour of Quebec separation while the allophones/anglophones express mixed feelings towards such a notion.
Why should Quebec cede from such a glorious country? At the same time, why should such a country have behaved so beastly towards la belle province in the past and continues to shrug off past misdemeanours by pointing out about 'francophone injustices' in other parts of the world? Two wrongs do not make a right and that applies to you, Mr. Steve K.
Something must be wrong when generations of English speakers reside in Quebec and still are unable to string a decent sentence together in the language of the vast majority of their immediate neighbours. I know Quebeckers (specifically of Italian extraction) whose grasp of French is tenuous at best. Any wags here would say that Canada is officially bilingual and remaining monolingual in either English or French is a right which has been enshrined in the Constitution. Fair enough. But would it get those same detractors hot under the collar if a francophone insists on his similar democratic right to remain monolinggual in British Columbia?
In many respects, Quebec was treated as a conquered colony till WWII. The language of the majority is usually systematically excluded from the civil service, neglected in state education while the largest share of the economic pie remains the preserve of the colonial masters. Until the Quiet Revolution, it is a fact that the bulk of the province's wealth lies in the hands of English-speaking ownership and that not being able to speak English alone was an egregious barrier for social advancements.
Have English speakers ever experienced such a situation in the contemporary period? Have they ever faced a threat on such a grand scale? Virtually everywhere, English speakers already enjoy a formidable advantage over their adversaries by not having to spend additional time in mastering another language. It is easy to belt out angry diatribes against the 'bloody Quebeckers' as Mr. Steve K is practising at present. And say, your academic credentials are thrown into doubt puisque vous n'avez pas ecrit encore une petite phrase en francais pour nous convaincre que vous etes bilingue. Vous mentiez et vous le savez.
Aux francophones et tous les autres qui soutiennent l'independense de Quebec, je suis completement avec vous. Comme a dit de Gaulle lors de sa visite dans les annees 60s: Vive le Quebec libre. :-)
Be carefull with what you say Loic! Some of the 'French' don't see you as another human being but as an AsianIC!. You know; with your own AsianIC culture and your AsianIC language... all of which is inferior to the 'Latin culture/laguage.
Loic,
Tu ne me connais pas. Ne racontes pas trop de betises a mon egard.
Le Quebec est devenu territoire britannique en 1763 a la suite des guerres franco-anglais sur deux continents. Il est inutile de juger l'histoire retroactivement. Des minorites linguistiques et ethniques existent partout, souvent a raison de guerres, ou de conquetes. Leurs evolutions sont tous assez differentes. On n'a que regarder quelques examples comme la Corse, la France meridionale, le Pays de Galles (independance linguistique effectivement suprimee par l'etat central), la Catalogne, le Quebec (independence linguistique maintenu bien que contre la volonte de l'etat central), le Finlande qui est reste culturellement independent pendant 500 ans, et bien que domine economiquement par les Suedois, y inclus sur leur propre territoire par la minorite suedois-parlante etc. pour savoir qu'il y a beacoup de situations differentes.
Ce ne sont pas la des contes morales, mais des examples historiques qui continuent d'evoluer. Il est inutile de justifier la suppression de droits linguistiques aujourd'hui au nom d'injustices historiques, comme le font les Quebecois. Il est toujours meilleur de trouver des solutions politiques qui conviennet aux circonstances actuelles. Si la majorite des Quebecois (y inclus les anglophones) vote pour "la separation" et non pour une question floue sur la renegociation de la federation (comme suggere la derniere question referendaire), soit! Je veux que les Quebecois se separent de nous, mais seulement si c'est le voeux de la majorite quebecoise.
<<And say, your academic credentials are thrown into doubt puisque vous n'avez pas ecrit encore une petite phrase en francais pour nous convaincre que vous etes bilingue. Vous mentiez et vous le savez. >>
Oh dear, Loic, shot yourself in the foot there, didn't you? Accusing Steve K of LYING about his French ability, indeed!
<< It is easy to belt out angry diatribes against the 'bloody Quebeckers'>>
It's easy to belt out angry diatribes against 'Anglo-Saxons' and their 'oppression' of Quebeckers. I still haven't seen any evidence.
Steve K : il va de soit que la seule façon de décider de l'avenir du Québec est de procéder à une consultation référendaire au suffrage universel (c'est-à-dire tous les Québécois, quelle que soit leur langue maternelle).