Vive Le Quebec libre

not especially, it does not reflect anything, you can be from an italian mother and having the natioanlity even you were born and grew up in Germany.

So, having a nationality does not mean anything, except for you, i forgot you said Hitler was a nice guy.

I can give a picture of my nation's flag Sander.

http://www.kidstonschool.ca/images/french/quebec_flag.jpg

De toute façon le Québec sera Libre

How nice, here's mine, http://www.faberpro-motion.nl/v3/images/private/c_wapper_oranje.jpg

Apart from the shape and colours there's another difference between the Dutch and the Quebecois flag, do you know what? I'll tell you:

"The Dutch flag represents a nation , and the Quebecois flag represents a province."

Sander, if you were for the independence of your province, do you think you would call your province a province or a country?

=>Sander, if you were for the independence of your province, do you think you would call your province a province or a country?<=

What a ridiculous question, my province doesn't seek independance.And besides it doesn't matter anyway because facts are facts and not even a strange semi-nationalist can't change that.

Say whatever you want Sander.

Québec is indeed a nation, there's a lot of historical and current facts to prove it.

I don't know why you as Dutchman fight so fiercy against the an Independent Québec, Would you like that the Netherlands were still under Spain's rule?

The differences betweent the Dutch and Spanish people are the same differences that exists between the Anglos and the Québecois.

<<What a ridiculous question, my province doesn't seek independance.And besides it doesn't matter anyway because facts are facts and not even a strange semi-nationalist can't change that.>>

Being able to consider other people's point of view and see if you can understand it (even if you don't share it) is ridiculous to you?

=>Québec is indeed a nation<=

No it isn't it's a part from Canada.

=>I don't know why you as Dutchman fight so fiercy against the an Independent Québec, Would you like that the Netherlands were still under Spain's rule? <=

We were never under 'Spanish' rule, we were part of the empire of Phillips II 'spanish empire' which included parts of Spain, where he lived, parts of France,Italy and modern germany. (his father , Charles V, was born in the Netherlands.)

And the big difference between the Dutch cry for independance and the , suggested, Quebecois cry is that the Dutch fought for it, instead of whining.

Well since there is no passport for Quebec, his will obviously say "Canada" - the nation he belongs to (at present). So his statement that he is not Candian is false. Every person who claims citizenship in Quebec is a citizen of Canada. This hasn't changed yet. This was Sander's original point.

The story about Italian citizenship has nothing to do with the fact that Trunks statement is false. In regards to your statement, I have an American passport and am eligible for a passport in Canada and Italy. Would they prove my official nationality as Uriel said? Yes, since I am officially a citizen of all three nations - I am American, Italian and Canadian.

It is true that before 2000, a child born in Germany to foreign parents only was not eligible for German citizenship. Let's say the child was born in Germany to an Italian mother (who would not name the father) and the child was born after 1948 (before then an Italian mother could not pass on citizenship). His passport will still reflect his OFFICIAL nationality - which would be Italian (if she registered his birth).

Insomma (anyway), it's obvious that Trunks is a Canadian that lives in the province of Quebec. He can't deny being Canadian until he moves out of Canada and applies for citizenship elsewhere or Quebec becomes independent.

<<facts are facts>>
We have two realities here:
- The administrative reality (what civil servants write on passports)
- How people can relate or not to what's written on passports. And I'm sorry but if their feeling don't matter to you, to me they do.

So his statement that he is not Candian is false.

Sorry Tiffany but it's Not a false statement, I don't consider myself "Canadian" I'm Québecois, If I were Canadian I will be English speaking and a related to England.

Insomma (anyway), it's obvious that Trunks is a Canadian that lives in the province of Quebec. He can't deny being Canadian until he moves out of Canada and applies for citizenship elsewhere or Quebec becomes independent.

I deny I'm Canadian and more than 200 years of " Québecois resistance" proves this fact. You can come to Québec any day and ask people in the street if they consider themselves "Canadians" even the " premier ministre du Québec, M. Bernard Landry" said in a speech :

"Ahora digamos unas palabras sobre Quebec. La mayoría de ustedes saben qué es Quebec. Quebec es una nación. Una nación de siete millones y medio de habitantes, de personas. Somos los latinos del norte. La nación de Quebec es una nación latina. En todos los sentidos de la palabra. Y sí, es verdad, vivimos en el norte. Es posible estar en el norte y ser latino al mismo tiempo".

http://www.premier.gouv.qc.ca/general/discours/archives_discours/2001/avril/dis20010416.htm

The last was a file from the official website of the Goverment of Québec, as you can say I'm not lying.

We are not Canadians even that the "political political pressure" says the contrary.

And the issue about Passports will be solved when we gain the Independence we deserve.

as you can see I'm not lying. *

Laisse tomber Trunk. Sander est un gars entièrement borné qui est incapable de se mettre à la place des autres. Si quelqu'un lui disait qu'il n'aime pas le rouge, il lui répondrait : "t'as pas le droit, le rouge est une belle couleur, it's a fact!"
Tu pourras rien obtenir de productif avec lui.

I am not arguing about whether or not I believe Québec should be independent (I've already submitted my opinion on this), or whether or not you feel Canadian. I am stating that under law, you are Canadian officially. For example, no matter how much I wanted to not be an American when Bush became president, simply proclaiming it did not make me NOT an American citizen under law.

By the way, I've been to Québec, as I have family who lives there. I'm pretty sure they feel as Canadian as I do, but we don't usually bring nationality up when I go. I'll make sure to ask next time I see them.

Trunks, the independance of Quebec 'kan me een worst wezen', I don't care, but what I do care about is the fact that you deny that you're canadian and the fact that you claim that Quebec is independant nation.

Those are lies and I'm a person who hates lies.