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Is French on the decline
Informer posted a list of French speaking celebrities on Tue Dec 16, which I think needs correcting.
The list mentions Christopher Lambert as an American actor. Christopher was born Christophe Guy Denis Lambert & although he was born in America, his parents are French. Also, Christophe grew up in Switzerland from the age of 2 before moving to Paris at 16.
Therefore, I don't think it fair to include Lambert in the list as he is a native French speaker & grew up in a French speaking region.
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Also because Philip II was Aragonese mother tongue.
Le français comme langue maternelle
En principe, la notion de français langue maternelle ne s'applique qu'à ceux qui le parlent en France (82 %), au Canada (23,2 %), en Belgique (41 %), en Suisse (18,4 %) et dans la principauté de Monaco (58 %). Avec ces seuls pays, on ne compterait que 75 millions de francophones.
Cependant, bien qu'ils soient partout minoritaires, il faut dénombrer également les locuteurs du français langue maternelle dans les différents autres pays francophones répartis surtout en Afrique et en Océanie, mais présents aussi aux Antilles et aux États-Unis. Si l'on compte les véritables francophones d'Afrique (22 États), des Antilles et des États-Unis (1,7 million), d'Océanie, on compterait 109 millions de locuteurs francophones.
Le français comme langue seconde
Le français est une langue d'enseignement de grande importance dans le monde. En fait, son enseignement aux non-francophones constitue une donnée fondamentale dans le concept de francophonie. Là où le français a acquis le statut de langue officielle, de langue co-officielle ou de langue administrative, il est enseigné comme langue seconde; là où le français ne dispose d'aucun statut officiel, comme au États-Unis, en Colombie, au Royaume-Uni ou au Laos, il est enseigné comme langue étrangère. Précisons que, dans les pays où le français est l'unique langue officielle, il est enseigné à tous les élèves dès le primaire. En tant que langue seconde, il est principalement enseigné au primaire, parfois au secondaire.
Une constatation s'impose lorsqu'on se demande où le français est le plus enseigné comme langue seconde ou langue étrangère: c'est avant tout dans les pays francophones d'Afrique noire, puis dans les pays arabophones d'Afrique ainsi que dans les pays anglophones, lusophones (portugais) et hispanophones.
Sur le plan de la francophonie mondiale, on compte présentement plus de 145 millions de personnes scolarisées en français dans le monde, tous les secteurs d'enseignements réunis (langue maternelle, langue seconde, langue étrangère). En fait, jamais dans l'histoire du français autant de personnes n'ont appris et parlé cette langue. Selon le Conseil économique et social de Paris, le nombre des "francophones" aurait atteint même les 500 millions en l'an 2000.
Le très net déclin du français langue seconde ou étrangère, qui avait commencé dans les années 1960, semble avoir été stoppé. Certains pays d'Europe (Finlande, Irlande, Norvège, Suède, Autriche, Bulgarie, etc.), du Proche-Orient (Égypte, Turquie, Israël, Émirats arabes unis, etc.) et d'Amérique (Brésil, Colombie, Pérou, États-Unis, Canada) connaissent présentement une très nette augmentation des élèves du français langue seconde ou étrangère.
Mais c'est en Afrique francophone et dans les pays du Maghreb que la proportion des effectifs scolaires a le plus augmenté. La population des élèves scolarisés en français est passée de 8 % (1960) à 33 % (1981). Les prospectives pour l'an 2000 montraient une augmentation de 267 % de scolarisés en français, tandis que l'augmentation de la population était de 73 %. Dans les pays du Maghreb (Algérie, Maroc, Tunisie), pourtant soumis à une politique d'arabisation poussée, la proportion des enfants scolarisés en français a déjà dépassé les 40 %. Bref, comme le français est enseigné dans la quasi-totalité des États du monde, sa situation lui procure une dimension et une portée vraiment internationales... après l'anglais.
http://www.tlfq.ulaval.ca/axl/francophonie/francophonie.htm
En Anglais
French as mother tongue
In principle, the notion of French language applies only to those who speak in France (82%), Canada (23.2%), Belgium (41%), Switzerland (18.4% ) and the Principality of Monaco (58%). With these countries, only 75 million francophones.
However, although they are a minority everywhere, we must also count the speakers of French language in various other French-speaking countries mainly distributed in Africa and Oceania, but also present in the Caribbean and the United States. If there are genuine francophone Africa (22 states), the Caribbean and the United States (1.7 million), Oceania, there are 109 million French speakers.
French as a second language
French is a language of instruction of great importance in the world. In fact, his teaching to non-French is a fundamental concept in the Francophonie. Where French has acquired the status of official language, language co-official and administrative language, it is taught as a second language, where French has no official status, as in the United States, Colombia, the United Kingdom or in Laos, it is taught as a foreign language. Note that in countries where French is the only official language, it is taught to all pupils from the primary. As a second language, it is mainly taught at primary, secondary sometimes.
One thing is clear when asked which French is the language taught as a second or foreign language: it is primarily in francophone Africa, then in Arabic speaking countries in Africa and in the Anglophone, Lusophone (Portuguese) and Spanish.
On the Francophone world, there are currently more than 145 million people educated in French in the world, all sectors of education combined (mother tongue as a second language, foreign language). In fact, never in the history of all the French people have learned and spoke the language. According to the Economic and Social Council of Paris, the number of "French" have reached even 500 million in 2000.
The sharp decline of French as a second language or foreign, which began in the 1960s, appears to have been stopped. Some European countries (Finland, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Austria, Bulgaria, etc..), The Near East (Egypt, Turkey, Israel, UAE, etc..) And America (Brazil, Colombia, Peru , USA, Canada) currently experiencing a sharp increase in students of French as a second language or foreign.
But in French-speaking Africa and the Maghreb countries, the proportion of enrollment has increased most. The population of students enrolled in French rose from 8% (1960) 33% (1981). Prospects for 2000 showed an increase of 267% of school in English, while the population increase was 73%. In the Maghreb countries (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia), yet subject to a policy of Arabization pushed the proportion of children enrolled in French has already exceeded 40%. In short, as French is taught in almost all of the world, its location gives it a dimension and a truly international ... after English.
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But in French-speaking Africa and the Maghreb countries, the proportion of enrollment has increased most. The population of students enrolled in French rose from 8% (1960) 33% (1981). Prospects for 2000 showed an increase of 267% of school in FRENCH, while the population increase was 73%. In the Maghreb countries (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia), yet subject to a policy of Arabization pushed the proportion of children enrolled in French has already exceeded 40%. In short, as French is taught in almost all of the world, its location gives it a dimension and a truly international ... after English.
<< One thing is clear when asked which French is the language taught as a second or foreign language: it is primarily in francophone Africa, then in Arabic speaking countries in Africa and in the Anglophone, Lusophone (Portuguese) and Spanish. >>
Oh great! while I didn't know that French is universally taught to the Hispanics.
This only proves that Spanish is still submerged and sinking further to oblivion.
As long as Arabic countries recover their self steem and abandon their colonial heritage, French will dissapear from those countries. Their national language is Standard Arabic, a language of prestige too, and there is no need to use the language of the colonizers. In North Africa French is losing room and Spanish is gaining momentum. For example the Call Center of DELL Spain is located at Morocco, so they have to speak good Spanish . The increasing number of goods and services exchanged between Spain and North Africa is making Spanish the lingua franca of Northern Africa.
And Spanish isn't a former colonial language in Morocco? So as you said it should dissapear too...
Why should it happen to French and not to Spanish? French presence is stronger there, and France is the first economic partner of Marocco.
I don't know why Spanish would increase and French dissapear, it is illogical.
If you go to Algeria or Tunisia and try to speak Spanish you would have some problems to be understand, you'll have more chance with French.
The lingua franca of Northern Africa is Arabic and the 2nd most spoken language is French, not Spanish.
<<And Spanish isn't a former colonial language in Morocco? So as you said it should dissapear too...
Why should it happen to French and not to Spanish? French presence is stronger there, and France is the first economic partner of Marocco.
I don't know why Spanish would increase and French dissapear, it is illogical.
If you go to Algeria or Tunisia and try to speak Spanish you would have some problems to be understand, you'll have more chance with French.
The lingua franca of Northern Africa is Arabic and the 2nd most spoken language is French, not Spanish. >>
You're right, Spanish will also disappear from Africa, however it will not disappear from Latin America, since the Spanish did a better job of wiping out indigenous culture. The French didn't, and indigenous languages are still powerful in Africa. French will disappear. As for the indigenous languages that do remain in Latin America (Quechua, Aymara, Guaraní), they will and should become stronger, however it is highly likely that their speakers will still speak Spanish as a second language since Spanish has no competition by other world languages in these countries, whereas French has a lot of competition in Africa from English and Arabic.
<< You're right, Spanish will also disappear from Africa, however it will not disappear from Latin America, since the Spanish did a better job of wiping out indigenous culture. The French didn't, and indigenous languages are still powerful in Africa. French will disappear. As for the indigenous languages that do remain in Latin America (Quechua, Aymara, Guaraní), they will and should become stronger, however it is highly likely that their speakers will still speak Spanish as a second language since Spanish has no competition by other world languages in these countries, whereas French has a lot of competition in Africa from English and Arabic. >>
French will not just disappear in Africa because it's the language of education and it has even become the first language of many Africans especially in Sub-Saharan Africa. It's deeply rooted in Africa. Francophone Africans no longer consider French as a foreign language and treat it as their own.
On the other hand, a number of Amerindian languages in Hispanic America were given an official status and even used as medium of instruction in place of Spanish like Guarani, Quechua, Aymara, and Quiche to name a few. At the same time even hispanics admitted that the Spanish in this region is fragmenting that the differences will be wide enough to affect communication between its speakers.
<< The sharp decline of French as a second language or foreign, which began in the 1960s, appears to have been stopped. Some European countries (Finland, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Austria, Bulgaria, etc..), The Near East (Egypt, Turkey, Israel, UAE, etc..) And America (Brazil, Colombia, Peru , USA, Canada) currently experiencing a sharp increase in students of French as a second language or foreign. >>
Good! That means Francophobes have no reason to give remarks that i has declined just because English became number 1.
<< But in French-speaking Africa and the Maghreb countries, the proportion of enrollment has increased most. The population of students enrolled in French rose from 8% (1960) 33% (1981). Prospects for 2000 showed an increase of 267% of school in FRENCH, while the population increase was 73%. In the Maghreb countries (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia), yet subject to a policy of Arabization pushed the proportion of children enrolled in French has already exceeded 40%. In short, as French is taught in almost all of the world, its location gives it a dimension and a truly international ... after English. >>
This is phenomenal. So the idea that French will die in Africa is stupid.
French may be widespread in Africa, but it is falling dramatically in Europe, where it is being supplanted by Arabic in its very own country of origin. Allahu Akhbar!
Statistics say that French is in decline as second language, but is rising as mother tongue.
French is in a very very strong position in Europe as mother tongue currently. French fertility is the highest of European Union (75% of the European natural increase is from France). In Belgium the natality is more important in Wallonia than in Flanders, idem in the francophone part of Switzerland (where French is growing in some regions like 'le Valais').
The Arabic population of France speaks French, they only speak Arabic between them (as Spanish or Italian people would speak Spanish or Italian BETWEEN THEM). The French population has zero knowledge of Arabic, so the Maghrebian tend to lost their original language (Arabic) in favour to French, because in France the language of school, administration, culture etc is French.
French is the dominant working language of The European Court of Justice, the European Tribunal of First Instance, the Press Room at the European Commission in Brussels, Belgium
http://www.fll.vt.edu/French/whyfrench.html
Which leads to:
The campaign for French to become the only source language for translations of legal texts into the other 22 official EU languages is led by the former prime ministers of Bulgaria and Romania, government ministers from France, Belgium, Poland and Italy, EU lawmakers and scholars, who argue it is the most precise and analytical European language for legal texts.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/07/europe/EU-GEN-EU-French.php
The second main reason is that it is the language of clarity and precision: it uses a lot more determiners, adverbs, conjunctions and the like to link parts of sentences together and clarify their relationships. This links very well with the "foisonnement" (expansion) phenomenon in translation from English to French, with the French translation being on average 15% longer than the source text. Conversely, English is more likely to create ambiguity and its concision can be seen as bluntness, which was described in the programme as "the enemy of polite discourse". Nowadays, despite the French language losing much of its prestige, the English diplomatic vocabulary is still haunted by a few French ghosts, here and there: regime, coup, etiquette, rapprochement. I suspect these words are still in use only because they don't have equivalents in English.
http://www.nakedtranslations.com/en/2004/05/000146.php
Both French and Spanish people are so ridiculous in this forum?? How old are you?? 15 18?
Please moderators close this thread as soon as possible! It has no value.
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