What accent do you really hate? and which one you love?

>>I think it may be easier to eliminate the tendencies than trying to adopt a full-blown American accent. I recorded myself the other day, and what I've noticed as "Americanisms" are:

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>>2 - The "flapped" t in "city"<<

It is interesting here that you identify just the word "city" alone, as such is a general phonological feature of NAE dialects as a whole applying to both /t/ and /d/ in intervocalic positions except before stressed vowels, and in many dialects /@n/ (which is another story).

>>3 - Occasional rhoticity, especially in open positions (in "exposed" syllables, such as at the end of a word before a pause).<<

It is also interesting that the first places where you have picked up rhoticity are usually the main places where rhoticity is removed in "pseudo-non-rhotic" speech, often found in music or in attempts at replicating some sort of English English accent, by normally rhotic NAE-speakers.

>>I wish I could upload this recording so you can give me your opinion. I do not particularly dislike American accents, it's just that I was rather proud of my own.<<

Such is rather like how, if I moved to a rather distant place which was still primarily English-speaking (quite likely, having come right out of college and still being in the job-hunting phase), I would probably still try to keep my native dialect as-is, for the most part, rather than quickly changing it to pick up features of that of the area to which I had moved, simply out of general loyalty to whence I had come rather than any dislike of whither I had moved.

"It is interesting that you speak of teaching "standard English" in opposition to "American English" (which I assume means General American), as if one (happening to be Received Pronunciation or some variation thereof) were standard and the other were not. This is despite that both RP and GA are usually referred to as separate independent standards within a pluricentric language in most literature on the topic. Taking that into consideriation, how would you yourself explain such a position? "

I mean RP by "standard English". People here think that British English is the most standard because it's the original.

>>I mean RP by "standard English". People here think that British English is the most standard because it's the original.<<

That is the thing; neither English English nor North American English dialects are any more "original" than the other from today's perspective. Both dialect groups, seen from today, are just as equally descended from the English of the 17th century or so, with each just happening to have different innovations and different conservatisms. It just happens that, for instance, NA English, for the most part, preserves full rhoticness whereas English English has a more conservative vowel system than most NAE dialects, internal variation related to the trap-bath split, the lot-cloth split, and the foot-strut split aside. And despite such variations, neither is actually "the original", since neither NA English-speakers or English English-speakers today speak anything particularly close to 17th century (or so) English.

Well this may be the truth but it's not known by the common people.
And I feel I must ask this question that how is the 17th century English spoken like???

>>Well this may be the truth but it's not known by the common people.
And I feel I must ask this question that how is the 17th century English spoken like???<<

I cannot even speak of a singular "17th century English", due to English having had dialect variation, as one would expect, at that time, but there are various features that one could likely expect, such as rhoticness and a lack of the vowel mergers characteristic of NA English. However, for a real detailed description of the general phonology of English dialects before the American/British split, look at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_the_English_language

That's really detailed and helpful. Thanks.

No offense meant to anyone here who might like it, but the Creole*
which created Rastafarian speech (also referred to as "soul language" or
"ghetto language") and the accent associated with it, really grates on me. Possibly due to the fact that I have no understanding of the meaning of the words behind the language or accent.
Just my opinion.
Michelle


*(a language which comes into being through contact between two or more languages)

hay u no how apparently us aussies say 2die instead of 2day thats acctuaslly a joke us aussies made up teasing our selves.

illl give some aussie accents depending on what state

South Australia- has a bit of a liverpool, londener accent 2 it but only a tiny bit.

Queensland- Is the real country australian accent the 1 americans and british try to imitate but they just cant.

Victorian, NSW- I reckon is the accent kinda like Kath and Kim

Western Australia-Is like South Australias

Hey im not exactually sure if im right because im use 2 our accent obviously so i cant really tell a diffrence.


im from South Australia and people from diffrent states sometimes pick out words i say like u british, but its pretty hard to tell

ova here at the moment it is monday the 24th of april and it is 9:18 am exactly

thought i might tell u i wouldnt normallly be on the internet at 12 at night

whats with this classing of accents

i mean Lower class accents upper class accents ther is no classes in my opinion it is so stupid. to me there is no diffrence

Guys stop classing accents alright just get over the whole class the accent thing its stupid and so annoying.




oh and i prefer the accents with a sinsong 2 it like the welsh, and irish.

i find that british and american accents have no sinsong to it but i still love ur british accents but i hate american accents they piss me off

sorry i meant singsong not sinsong

How do u guys feel about australian accents?

I quite like the Kath and Kim accent, plus it helps that its a piss funny programme. I saw a stand up from Australia the other day, and I was supprised that he did sound sort of Irish, I wonder where he was from, because I'de never heard an accent like it.

Not all Irish accents are so sing-song, as you say. My sister's boyfriend from Dublin takes the piss out of the Cork accent for being so sing-song, where as his isn't.

I would say that Scouser/Liverpool accent is kind of sing-song, so I gues you like that one!

Take what "aussie" wrote with a kilo of salt; it was way off the mark, with the exception of some of what was written about Kath & Kim: what they are doing is mercilessly extracting the urine of the type of people portrayed in the series, the poorly-educated outer-suburban Melbourne yobbos.