Which Romance language sounds more Slavic?
Romanians are just a bunch of greasy, scrounging untermench to me. They all go to the UK because they can't make anything out of their own poor shithole.
I had a conversation with one about this, and his response was "British people so lazy they need Romanian to work", he said this in typical untermench fashion.
If Romanians are so hard working, why do they live in such a meritless shithole? And if British people are so lazy, why do they live in a country with a rediculously higher standard of living than Romania, and rediculously greater level of influence?
I had a conversation with one about this, and his response was "British people so lazy they need Romanian to work", he said this in typical untermench fashion.
If Romanians are so hard working, why do they live in such a meritless shithole? And if British people are so lazy, why do they live in a country with a rediculously higher standard of living than Romania, and rediculously greater level of influence?
@Matematik: To be fair the Romanians DO work a lot more and a lot harder than the Brits. The Romanians are #1 in the EU charts on working hours. The reason the Romanians are poorer is because of the very real and not made-up Romanian dictum:
"We work, we don't think!".
Unfortunately, no matter how hard the Romanians try the following applies:
Not so sophisticated people + unaccountable politicians = poverty + corruption.
"We work, we don't think!".
Unfortunately, no matter how hard the Romanians try the following applies:
Not so sophisticated people + unaccountable politicians = poverty + corruption.
<<@Matematik: To be fair the Romanians DO work a lot more and a lot harder than the Brits. The Romanians are #1 in the EU charts on working hours. The reason the Romanians are poorer is because of the very real and not made-up Romanian dictum: >>
The British are very hard workers, you Romanians are scrounging Untermensch scum who stand around outside train stations of Paris and London, handing out cards about your poor Untermensch family back in Romania and hoping for hand outs.
If you want to get a bit more hard working, you can occasionally see Romanians half-heartedly selling the local street magazine.
Money doesn't grow on trees, although I'm sure you Romas would know much about where money comes from. You just expect it and bitch when its not there. The British are undoubtedly harder, more dedicated workers than the British, the results speak for themselves.
The British are very hard workers, you Romanians are scrounging Untermensch scum who stand around outside train stations of Paris and London, handing out cards about your poor Untermensch family back in Romania and hoping for hand outs.
If you want to get a bit more hard working, you can occasionally see Romanians half-heartedly selling the local street magazine.
Money doesn't grow on trees, although I'm sure you Romas would know much about where money comes from. You just expect it and bitch when its not there. The British are undoubtedly harder, more dedicated workers than the British, the results speak for themselves.
<<Sorry but UK is so poor compared to Norway, Luxembourg or Holland. >>
Prehaps, but if they're all so much better why don't the Roma scum fuck off to those countries? Most foreigners hate the British, and I very much hate the scum in return, but why the fuck do they insist on coming here?
Prehaps, but if they're all so much better why don't the Roma scum fuck off to those countries? Most foreigners hate the British, and I very much hate the scum in return, but why the fuck do they insist on coming here?
@OriginalGuest
Corruption has very little to do with it. US, UK, Germany are far more corrupted countries than Romania, and I am talking here about the pervasiveness of political, administrative and corporate corruption.
West is rich at this moment because they're spending the capital accumulated after a millenium of imperial/colonial theft. Without capital one cannot do anything. The economic climate is different now, and small countrie can become rich. Where was South Koreea 40 years ago?
Western workers are overpaid and lazy. I understand Matematik's anxieties, but this is the current trend - West is becoming poorer and Western corporations would rather do business someplace else.
Corruption has very little to do with it. US, UK, Germany are far more corrupted countries than Romania, and I am talking here about the pervasiveness of political, administrative and corporate corruption.
West is rich at this moment because they're spending the capital accumulated after a millenium of imperial/colonial theft. Without capital one cannot do anything. The economic climate is different now, and small countrie can become rich. Where was South Koreea 40 years ago?
Western workers are overpaid and lazy. I understand Matematik's anxieties, but this is the current trend - West is becoming poorer and Western corporations would rather do business someplace else.
Bickering between Romanians and British is futile, the real issue at hand for all Europeans is the march of the Muslims into Europe.
<< Western workers are overpaid and lazy
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Have you noticied how many suicides take place in France among the lazy working class? Many of them were overpaid employees of prestigious banks , don't believe they were miners or other hard workers. Just because ongoing crisis has forced them to work more hours and reduce a bit their luxurious wages. If the working conditions of the Industrial Revolution had to do a comeback the French would suicide in masses like the lemmings.
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Have you noticied how many suicides take place in France among the lazy working class? Many of them were overpaid employees of prestigious banks , don't believe they were miners or other hard workers. Just because ongoing crisis has forced them to work more hours and reduce a bit their luxurious wages. If the working conditions of the Industrial Revolution had to do a comeback the French would suicide in masses like the lemmings.
The pictures are showing Romanian kids only in a few instances, majority is not made by Romanians ; that's sad...it is another prove that these guys (original guest, ravinescu, franco etc ) are just trying to throw dirt on Romanians, on Romanian language, their literature and history.
This pictures site contains not only Romanians, gypsies or Slavic origin kids. In there I identified kids of Northern Europe, kids from UK, kids from Asia, as well. I search deeper into this site, I did some research and I found out who these kids in the pictures, really are! Shame on you, originalguest!
As regarding you, the very 'smart" posts of ravinescu, (alias Breno, ...."is my religion" etc), I recommend to learn first about how any other language (in Europe and not only), have evolved during the time. To present Romanian as an unique case under an unique aspect of evolution you should be not just ignorant, but totally disrespectful across the other participants on this forum who might want to learn about languages evolution and their problematic. Spreading lies, incomplete information, or bringing up into discussion only aspects which are not defining the language as an integer, it is shameless, stupid and dirty. There is nothing more to add on this. It is sad though to see this bunch of semi-docs giving to the less important aspects of a subject the appearance of the MAIN one. That's outrageous!
For whoever is not advised, this forum is not a scientific forum at all. It is used either by kids, or by people with a poor knowledge of languages and history of languages. They are ready to absorb anybody's aberration put in here and that's a pity. Ravinescu, (alias Breno, alias ..myreligion) and originalguest, if they are so good in other nations history (Romanian history, for example) or history in general I recommend them some easy (but just History), forums, :http://www.forumjar.com/forums/Nation .
There is nobody in. Ravinescu and originalguest...come only here to speculate the ignorance of other people and playing smart behind absurd and nonsense stories.
It amazed me seeing how this originalguest is exercising the typical courage of the ignorant when he presents his "well verified facts". By miming the role of an well informed guy he is playing with fractions, percents and all sorts of numbers and establishes PRECISE proportions of Slavic, Germanic and so on, blood/ genes in Greeks, Romanians, Serbs, Bulgarians etc. Same thing is to be seen when he speaks about the Ice Age, about Scots relation with Spaniards, Italians and so on...What a pathetic and foolish individual! What I found even worst in his case is that he doesn't have the capacity to realize how naive and ridicule he is... that's sad!
Franco is another specialist, mainly in "gypsyology" ;(more likely he has reasons for that -he feels the voice of the gypsy blood more than he can learn about it) and he behaves like those hysterical individuals which you usually see on the soccer stadiums. He is just another frustrated creature who hates the others just because he cannot overcome his own limits. This guy has no clue how the Serbs look like but he talk about it.
After the Dutch, the Serbs are the tallest people in Europe, while the Turks which he had used as base of comparison, are midsize. There are more similar physical characteristics between Spaniards and Turks than between the Turks and Serbs. By having said that, you have now the possibility to understand how accurate the level of information which these guys are providing here; how much trust and attention should you pay to them....
Finally, I think that the main subject of this tread is pretty interesting and answering at the initial question should be debated. This should be what those enlightened minds cited above should discuss about, if they had anything to say...
It is much more interesting and correct to stay on subject and find an answer to the MAIN question: which language sounds more Slavic?
I've seen here a lot of people saying that Portuguese sounds more Slavic; others that Romanian, but nobody went deeper to explain what makes these languages sound Slavic?
If in the case of Romanian we could find some explanations (by the presence in its vocabulary of some words of Slavic origin; due to the location of the country in a region surrounded by Slavic nations, with Portugal is more difficult to explain that; Portugal is located at exactly the opposite side of the former Roman Empire, deep in the Western part of the Europe; where are these sound similarities coming from? From the accent? why is that?
This is what these "philosophers" and "specialists" in Romanian history and Gypsy's origin should explain you if the can; but that's the issue: they cannot explain such things, that's why they deviated from the subject.
And one more thing: speaking about the position of Romania in Europe, (if Europe's Easter limit is considered on to the Ural Mountains line), then Romania is a Central European Country; It doesn't have any physical connection with the Balkan Mountains (or Peninsula); being crossed from the north up to the south-west by the Carpathian mountains, it is what can be called : a Carpathian country. The association with Balkans is just a political matter.
Guys,
don't expect any other intervention from me, who ever is thinking of any. It won't be! I did say what I had to say after I red some of the posts placed here by those pathetic guys mentioned above and I have no time to waste discussing about all this bullshit with you.
So long!
This pictures site contains not only Romanians, gypsies or Slavic origin kids. In there I identified kids of Northern Europe, kids from UK, kids from Asia, as well. I search deeper into this site, I did some research and I found out who these kids in the pictures, really are! Shame on you, originalguest!
As regarding you, the very 'smart" posts of ravinescu, (alias Breno, ...."is my religion" etc), I recommend to learn first about how any other language (in Europe and not only), have evolved during the time. To present Romanian as an unique case under an unique aspect of evolution you should be not just ignorant, but totally disrespectful across the other participants on this forum who might want to learn about languages evolution and their problematic. Spreading lies, incomplete information, or bringing up into discussion only aspects which are not defining the language as an integer, it is shameless, stupid and dirty. There is nothing more to add on this. It is sad though to see this bunch of semi-docs giving to the less important aspects of a subject the appearance of the MAIN one. That's outrageous!
For whoever is not advised, this forum is not a scientific forum at all. It is used either by kids, or by people with a poor knowledge of languages and history of languages. They are ready to absorb anybody's aberration put in here and that's a pity. Ravinescu, (alias Breno, alias ..myreligion) and originalguest, if they are so good in other nations history (Romanian history, for example) or history in general I recommend them some easy (but just History), forums, :http://www.forumjar.com/forums/Nation .
There is nobody in. Ravinescu and originalguest...come only here to speculate the ignorance of other people and playing smart behind absurd and nonsense stories.
It amazed me seeing how this originalguest is exercising the typical courage of the ignorant when he presents his "well verified facts". By miming the role of an well informed guy he is playing with fractions, percents and all sorts of numbers and establishes PRECISE proportions of Slavic, Germanic and so on, blood/ genes in Greeks, Romanians, Serbs, Bulgarians etc. Same thing is to be seen when he speaks about the Ice Age, about Scots relation with Spaniards, Italians and so on...What a pathetic and foolish individual! What I found even worst in his case is that he doesn't have the capacity to realize how naive and ridicule he is... that's sad!
Franco is another specialist, mainly in "gypsyology" ;(more likely he has reasons for that -he feels the voice of the gypsy blood more than he can learn about it) and he behaves like those hysterical individuals which you usually see on the soccer stadiums. He is just another frustrated creature who hates the others just because he cannot overcome his own limits. This guy has no clue how the Serbs look like but he talk about it.
After the Dutch, the Serbs are the tallest people in Europe, while the Turks which he had used as base of comparison, are midsize. There are more similar physical characteristics between Spaniards and Turks than between the Turks and Serbs. By having said that, you have now the possibility to understand how accurate the level of information which these guys are providing here; how much trust and attention should you pay to them....
Finally, I think that the main subject of this tread is pretty interesting and answering at the initial question should be debated. This should be what those enlightened minds cited above should discuss about, if they had anything to say...
It is much more interesting and correct to stay on subject and find an answer to the MAIN question: which language sounds more Slavic?
I've seen here a lot of people saying that Portuguese sounds more Slavic; others that Romanian, but nobody went deeper to explain what makes these languages sound Slavic?
If in the case of Romanian we could find some explanations (by the presence in its vocabulary of some words of Slavic origin; due to the location of the country in a region surrounded by Slavic nations, with Portugal is more difficult to explain that; Portugal is located at exactly the opposite side of the former Roman Empire, deep in the Western part of the Europe; where are these sound similarities coming from? From the accent? why is that?
This is what these "philosophers" and "specialists" in Romanian history and Gypsy's origin should explain you if the can; but that's the issue: they cannot explain such things, that's why they deviated from the subject.
And one more thing: speaking about the position of Romania in Europe, (if Europe's Easter limit is considered on to the Ural Mountains line), then Romania is a Central European Country; It doesn't have any physical connection with the Balkan Mountains (or Peninsula); being crossed from the north up to the south-west by the Carpathian mountains, it is what can be called : a Carpathian country. The association with Balkans is just a political matter.
Guys,
don't expect any other intervention from me, who ever is thinking of any. It won't be! I did say what I had to say after I red some of the posts placed here by those pathetic guys mentioned above and I have no time to waste discussing about all this bullshit with you.
So long!
There are more similarities between the Turks and the Serbs than between the Turks and the Spaniards. First off, the Serbs were part of the Ottoman Empire and they live in a country of the Balkan Peninsula like Turkey ( half of Istambul , which is the most populated Turkish city, lies in the Balkan Peninsula). Second, the Serbs have same facial features than the Turks. For example both have brachicephalic skull whereas the Spaniards are dolichocephalic Mediterraneans. Third, genetically the Serbs are more distant to the rest of the Europeans than the Spaniards. R1b incidence, the most frequent human haplogroup in Europe, is negligible in both Serbia and Turkey.
@Robert
The pictures I have linked are made on various school-related occasions and they are a representative sample of ethnic Romanian kids from Central Transylvania except a few (3-4) kids of Gypsy origin. The Slavic mixture in Western and Northern Transylvania is higher and I presume that in the southern Banat region is slightly lower. Outside Transylvania the highest Slavic mixture is in Moldavia.
The pictures I have linked are made on various school-related occasions and they are a representative sample of ethnic Romanian kids from Central Transylvania except a few (3-4) kids of Gypsy origin. The Slavic mixture in Western and Northern Transylvania is higher and I presume that in the southern Banat region is slightly lower. Outside Transylvania the highest Slavic mixture is in Moldavia.
if you look at that genetic map original posted on page 16 back in this thread, r1a is present in even central and northern european countries in substantial amounts. germany and austria have similar amounts to romania. norway, iceland, and sweden seem to have just as much if not more, and greece has some too. even scotland has a bit. so i don't know what you're talking about. besides, yes, it is considered mostly to have originated in eastern europe, maybe connected with that kurgan culture in southern russia, but that was literally thousands of years ago and people moved around alot since then. besides there are other theories as to its origin, with some even proposing the caucasus, the middle east, or south asia (kind of a stretch). as for i2a, it's found a lot in sardinia, so i don't know if you could call that just slavic necessarily. however, there is a significant J presence in romania, as well as in greece, albania, and southern italy/sicily, and it has connections to the near east. personally i'm originally from the south, near bulgaria, and i dont remember seeing too many kids like the ones in the pictures in the towns i usually hung out in.
you get people of all types across europe, and people mix everywhere. or some looks are just coincidences, so you can't always assume what someone is. heck to me, that new james bond guy, daniel craig, looks kind of 'russian' and reminds me a bit of putin.
oh yeah and you can't always link languages and cultures with genes necessarily anyway
i have to admit romanians can be kind of fatalistic in regards to the future sometimes, i don't know if that's always how it's been or if its a result of the communist era. but many are hard working and decent people. many are also quite religious and have strong values. it's a pity people in spain and italy had to see the worst part of the population, whether gypsy or not, it doesn't matter. i traveled to those countries and had a great time, no problems with anyone, but then again i came as a tourist from america and avoided speaking too much romanian if possible
you get people of all types across europe, and people mix everywhere. or some looks are just coincidences, so you can't always assume what someone is. heck to me, that new james bond guy, daniel craig, looks kind of 'russian' and reminds me a bit of putin.
oh yeah and you can't always link languages and cultures with genes necessarily anyway
i have to admit romanians can be kind of fatalistic in regards to the future sometimes, i don't know if that's always how it's been or if its a result of the communist era. but many are hard working and decent people. many are also quite religious and have strong values. it's a pity people in spain and italy had to see the worst part of the population, whether gypsy or not, it doesn't matter. i traveled to those countries and had a great time, no problems with anyone, but then again i came as a tourist from america and avoided speaking too much romanian if possible
Which language has a lot of difficult consonant clusters, has vowel reduction and nasal vowels?
<<Which language has a lot of difficult consonant clusters, has vowel reduction and nasal vowels?
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Iberian Portuguese hands down.
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Iberian Portuguese hands down.