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Was West Flemish Spoken in the Pale of Calais?
Was West Flemish Spoken in the Pale of Calais in Tudor times?
NB - don't care to reply if you don't know shit about West Flemish, West Flanders, the Pale of Calais etc.
Thanks! Wonder how much further north it had moved in 1558, when Calais became French.
Without a shadow, seeing Flemish was spoken all the way down the shoreline to Abbekerke (Abbeville) and over to Amiens, then Saint Quentin and then back up to the other historically Flemish town of Bergen now stolen by the Walloons and called Mons. English have always rubbed shoulders with the northernmost Dutch speakers (Frisians) and Southernmost Dutch speakers (Flemish). Note the pale of Calais was a wedgeshaped - think of a line from Cap Griz Nez inland to St Omer and then back again hitting the shore somewhere on the western outskirts of Duinkerke.
is it reasonably to assume that in year 3000 limit between Romance and Germanics may well lie around Denmark? Note how that boundary has consistently moved northwards in the last two millenia.
The language boundary between Romance and Germanic languages will be somewhere fucking north of Stockholm! if the Flemish don't fucken toughen up and put a stop to the non-stop expansion of Francophone Wallonia!
"Chauvinism
Most modern French websites continue to propagate the idea that most Belgians, and certainly the Nervians, were Gauls" Bravest Belgians Belgium was at the time an association of tribes. The "bravest of all Gauls" were not the modern Belgians. It were the populations situated between the Somme river and the Seine river. They were within the ancient Belgian association and spoke in contrast to the northern Germanic speaking tribes, a Gaulish language. This region is today very much France. Caesar wrote lies He declared all land between the Pyrenees and the Rhine to be ‘Gaul’. This territory simply corresponded with what he had conquered. Compare with the notion 'Arab country'. For many Americans this includes Iran, although Iran shares only its religion with the Arabs. Everything else is different, even more different then between modern Germans and Italians. Old language border A rather surprising conclusion for the modern Belgians is that there was a language border some 2000 years ago, but much more to the south. Most of the French départements "Nord" and "Pas de Calais" were Germanic speaking. This is in complete contrast to the French view which situates the border somewhere in southern Holland." http://www.proto-english.org/e6.html
<<The language boundary between Romance and Germanic languages will be somewhere fucking north of Stockholm! if the Flemish don't fucken toughen up and put a stop to the non-stop expansion of Francophone Wallonia!
>> Be glad that the Spaniards don't live in French territory. Otherwise the boundary would match the Polar Circle.
Polar Circle? WTF?
Please focus on Andres, Balinghem, Bonningues-lès-Calais, Calais, Campagne-lès-Guines, Coquelles, Coulogne, Fréthun, Guemps, Guînes, Hames-Boucres, Hervelinghen, Marck, Nielles-lès-Calais, Nouvelle-Église, Offekerque, Oye-Plage, Peuplingues, Pihen-lès-Guînes, Sangatte and Saint-Pierre during l'Ancien ŕegime!
«"Chauvinism
Most modern French websites continue to propagate the idea that most Belgians, and certainly the Nervians, were Gauls" Bravest Belgians Belgium was at the time an association of tribes. The "bravest of all Gauls" were not the modern Belgians. It were the populations situated between the Somme river and the Seine river. They were within the ancient Belgian association and spoke in contrast to the northern Germanic speaking tribes, a Gaulish language. This region is today very much France. Old language border A rather surprising conclusion for the modern Belgians is that there was a language border some 2000 years ago, but much more to the south. Most of the French départements "Nord" and "Pas de Calais" were Germanic speaking. This is in complete contrast to the French view which situates the border somewhere in southern Holland."» I agree http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map-1477_Low_Countries.png
Ancient Gaul, WTF?
Please focus on Andres, Balinghem, Bonningues-lès-Calais, Calais, Campagne-lès-Guines, Coquelles, Coulogne, Fréthun, Guemps, Guînes, Hames-Boucres, Hervelinghen, Marck, Nielles-lès-Calais, Nouvelle-Église, Offekerque, Oye-Plage, Peuplingues, Pihen-lès-Guînes, Sangatte and Saint-Pierre during l'Ancien ŕegime!
«"Chauvinism
Most modern French websites continue to propagate the idea that most Belgians, and certainly the Nervians, were Gauls"» The same thing is true with the British and Americans who say that the English language comes from the Angles and the Saxons and before them the whole Britain spoke a Celtic language, which is totally wrong. No proof of that.
>> Most of the French départements "Nord" and "Pas de Calais" were Germanic speaking. <<
-- Non. >> This is in complete contrast to the French view which situates the border somewhere in southern Holland." << -- Affirmation la plus stupide de la soirée ! Aucune "french view" n'a jamais situé une frontière linguistique au Sud de la Hollande... >> Be glad that the Spaniards don't live in French territory. Otherwise the boundary would match the Polar Circle. << -- Crétin, l'espagnol a en quelques années reculé au sud de Barcelone et sera bientôt expulsé de Valence ! Si ça continue, Séville parlera un jour catalan... |