Does this sound fine to you or rather strange to your ears? It sounds fine to me.
The car needs cleaned.
I've met ONE person (an American) who uses that construction, and it absolutely drives me up the friggin' wall! (But I may be biased -- so does she!)
It sounds strange to me ... strangely like it might need a couple of other words, like "to" and "be".
It sounds strange to me ... strangely like it might need a couple of other words, like "to" and "be".
I agree with Uriel, that it sounds like really lazy English, leaving out those two special little words...
To me it doesn't sound lazy so much as like some old-fashioned country dialect. It is used in parts of the US -- I've heard of it before-- but it's not very common.
It sounds extremely incorrect to me. I've never heard anyone say that before. I've only heard: 'The car is in need of cleaning' or 'The car needs to be cleaned.'
"The car needs cleaned" is the thriftiest way to say it but you could also use the infinitive and say "The car needs to be cleaned". In a formal situation the second way would probably be better.
Did a quick Google search, and it turns out this construction is used in various places from Pennsylvania (where it's thought to be derived from German grammar) to Texas (where it's considered to be a Scottish holdover). It appears to be pretty common in the Midwest.
What about "The car needs cleaning"? Does this construction sound strange to you?
<<What about "The car needs cleaning"? Does this construction sound strange to you?>>
That sounds better. I'd say "the car needs to be cleaned" is my most natural construction.
<<It appears to be pretty common in the Midwest.>>
I had a TA once who was from Ohio (do people consider that the Midwest?) and she said in the area where she was from people said things like "the car needs cleaned."
That sounds better. I'd say "the car needs to be cleaned" is my most natural construction.
<<It appears to be pretty common in the Midwest.>>
I had a TA once who was from Ohio (do people consider that the Midwest?) and she said in the area where she was from people said things like "the car needs cleaned."
Yeah M, I think the writer meant "The car needs cleaning". Replace "cleaned" with "cleaning".
Uriel, you could be right. If you replace 'need' with 'braucht' it does sound good.
I wonder if that word pattern eveolved independently in more than one place? Or if Scottish speech patterns preserve a basic Germanic tendency?
Another site that had this same conversation pointed out that a lot of people will use the same construction with a different verb tense -- that man needs killing, the boy needs whipping, the floor needs sweeping, you want correcting, etc.
Another site that had this same conversation pointed out that a lot of people will use the same construction with a different verb tense -- that man needs killing, the boy needs whipping, the floor needs sweeping, you want correcting, etc.
It is acceptable if it is said by a two-year-old boy. But it sounds grammatically incorrect if an adult said it.