It was very labarious to go through all the discussion from the beginning, why not cut the chase and tell me what final conclusion have you guys drived so far from your discussions. Is there anything like present perfect in English? Does time exist? The earth is revolving around the sun and we human creatures are living on Earth. It is behind my comprehension how a future time at some point becomes a present time...etc There is no such thing like past, present, future, it is only a vaccum in which we human creatues have been living since the first day of the human existence. Time can not be described into seconds, minutes, days and years. Even we should need to question whether 1 is exactly 1 or not?
A concept of time
mr.curious wrote:
<<why not cut the chase and tell me what final conclusion have you guys drived so far from your discussions.>>
My reply:
The final conclusion is at the beginning of this thread. The rest is proving it.
I notice there is Perfect Time between past time and present time, like between Last Week and Now (which is Wednesday for example). English uses Present Perfect to express this time span. Because old grammars are not aware of this time span, Present Perfect is a long-term puzzle to them.
<<why not cut the chase and tell me what final conclusion have you guys drived so far from your discussions.>>
My reply:
The final conclusion is at the beginning of this thread. The rest is proving it.
I notice there is Perfect Time between past time and present time, like between Last Week and Now (which is Wednesday for example). English uses Present Perfect to express this time span. Because old grammars are not aware of this time span, Present Perfect is a long-term puzzle to them.
<< Because old grammars are not aware of this time span, Present Perfect is a long-term puzzle to them. >>
" ... grammars ... them." ?
... grammarians ... them.
... old fashioned thinking grammarians ... them.
" ... grammars ... them." ?
... grammarians ... them.
... old fashioned thinking grammarians ... them.
Because I have to compare the new approach with the old one, I have to mention them all the time. I will not every time repeat "old fashioned thinking grammarians".
As for the use of "grammars", check it with searching engine on the web. Why other people can use it and I cannot? What "grammars" means to you, anyway? an unacceptable word?
As for the use of "grammars", check it with searching engine on the web. Why other people can use it and I cannot? What "grammars" means to you, anyway? an unacceptable word?
Our new approach has simplified the three tenses in a great way:
-- Simple Past expresses past time
-- Present Perfect expresses perfect time
-- Simple Present expresses present time
"One more word is one more mistake" – this is my promise.
It looks too simple to explain anything. Why don't you gentlemen kick against it and make a failure of me?
-- Simple Past expresses past time
-- Present Perfect expresses perfect time
-- Simple Present expresses present time
"One more word is one more mistake" – this is my promise.
It looks too simple to explain anything. Why don't you gentlemen kick against it and make a failure of me?
mr.curious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time
«What "grammars" means to you, anyway? an unacceptable word?»
Grammarians not grammars — authours not books thereof.
«It looks too simple to explain anything.»
Yes, too simple to explain anything.
«What "grammars" means to you, anyway? an unacceptable word?»
Grammarians not grammars — authours not books thereof.
«It looks too simple to explain anything.»
Yes, too simple to explain anything.
I should have put it this way:
Our new approach to the three tenses has come to a simplicity:
-- Simple Past expresses past time
-- Present Perfect expresses perfect time
-- Simple Present expresses present time
"One more word to it is a mistake" – this is my promise.
Our new approach to the three tenses has come to a simplicity:
-- Simple Past expresses past time
-- Present Perfect expresses perfect time
-- Simple Present expresses present time
"One more word to it is a mistake" – this is my promise.
<<Yes, too simple to explain anything.>>
Yes, I know. As usual, you have a proof somewhere.
Yes, I know. As usual, you have a proof somewhere.
«"One more word to it is a mistake" – this is my promise.»
I have commented on that above in the thread.
«Yes, I know. As usual, you have a proof somewhere.»
Proof of what?
I have commented on that above in the thread.
«Yes, I know. As usual, you have a proof somewhere.»
Proof of what?
If you have succeeded in challenging my simplicity, they gentlemen must have a better chance, mustn't they?
Ant_222 wrote:
<<mr.curious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time
>>
My reply:
I am afraid you still take the discussion too simple. You always express yourself in a way that discussion cannot be maintained. You will point to a web page and suggest the answer is there. However, maybe that is the best you can do for a discussion.
I suggest you quote some words you want to say, so Mr. Curious may talk to you. Or else, shall he talk to the author of the web page, or shall he talk to you? You should think about that.
<<mr.curious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time
>>
My reply:
I am afraid you still take the discussion too simple. You always express yourself in a way that discussion cannot be maintained. You will point to a web page and suggest the answer is there. However, maybe that is the best you can do for a discussion.
I suggest you quote some words you want to say, so Mr. Curious may talk to you. Or else, shall he talk to the author of the web page, or shall he talk to you? You should think about that.
engtense has a valid point. Pointing out to a web page aint gonna answer my query. I am still curious about the final conclusion on this whole issue as it has got massive, massive posts. My curiosity is sill in the persuist of a convincing answer than reading brickbasts among you guys.
<<Our new approach to the three tenses has come to a simplicity:
-- Simple Past expresses past time
-- Present Perfect expresses perfect time >>>
What is perfect time?
<<Our new approach to the three tenses has come to a simplicity:
-- Simple Past expresses past time
-- Present Perfect expresses perfect time >>>
What is perfect time?
>>And the conclusion is as follows:
http://www.cw.bc.ca/Epidcourse/lecture/lec0671/img005.GIF <<
http://www.littlestuffedbull.com/images/comics/logos/timewarp1logo.jpg
http://www.cw.bc.ca/Epidcourse/lecture/lec0671/img005.GIF <<
http://www.littlestuffedbull.com/images/comics/logos/timewarp1logo.jpg