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Do you like Brazilian Portuguese?
>afinal, era desejo deles permanecer no
controle da situação, um povo instruído não se deixaria dominar; era
mais fácil enviar os filhos dos portugueses comerciantes ricos para
as universidades da metrópole. Isso sem contar que, para que
tivéssemos nossa indenpendência reconhecida por Portugal, assumimos
a dívia que este tinha com a Inglaterra, dando início assim ao nosso
processo de endividamento externo, diminuindo nossas possibilidades
de investir no social.<
>after all, it was desire of them to remain in the control of the situation, an instructed people would not let be dominated; it was more easy to send the children of the rich trading Portuguese for the universities of the metropolis. This without counting that, for us to have our recognized independence by Portugal, we assumed the debt that they had with England, making it the beginning to our process of external indebtedness, diminishing our possibilities to invest in the social one<
Instructed people did not let to be dominated?? How? They fight with a pen?What do you do to the canons?Throw books? Brave warriors do not let them self be dominated. That is what they have proved.
Read what they did to have an Empire, what have you Brazilians done? Instructed people? They taught Latin and Greek it does not seem you have the same quality education that they gave you centuries ago. Children of the rich? Where did you get that one? Anyone that really wanted to learn would find a way and would not be difficult to find work on a ship and find work to pay for the studies if they were not free. It looks for what I already read that if the person was a good student they probably invested on the person.
The debt you assumed was to pay the English, the oldest allies of the Portuguese, for helping them to send the French troops away from their lands it seems they fought side by side. By the way where were the Brazilians? Did they help in anyway? Sent troops , or a fleet to help the Portuguese?? I can’t read anything about it except the fact that you were founding schools while they were fighting a war? Where was your help? Can you update that information? Did you let them to die?? Or you went to help them?
It looks you are blaming them for your debts and are using that as an excuse for your social problems? Did I get that right?
You complain about what you paid, can you tell me how much you paid your land per square meter just for us to have an idea. And by the way how many lives they paid for Brazil?? With so many gold mines it must have been very difficult for you to pay them something.
If the British thought their home land and their people was worth that money and we look at the size of Portugal how much were your lands worth? Less than theirs?
"1st university in Brazil: 1912 (opened by Brazilians, not by Portuguese)
1st university in Peru: National University of San Marcos, 1551 (opened by Spanish)
1st university in Mexico: National Autonomous University of Mexico, 1551 (opened by Spanish) "
Man, it took you a while...
Robert wrote:
>>>If the British thought their home land and their people was worth that money and we look at the size of Portugal how much were your lands worth? Less than theirs?<<<
It was to pay for the lives of British soldiers, military equipment and help, not the value of the Portuguese lands and people. That was how much they thought their help was worth. The price they charged we accepted not complained.
Glêysson wrote:
>>>Eu acho que o Lula está certo mesmo e os portugueses têm consciência de que a colonização deles foi uma droga, tanto que riram.<<<
>>>I find that Lula is right and the Portuguese have conscience that colonisation was a drug, so much that they laughed. <<<
Yes, they laughed because they took it as a joke.
“Lula asks for the aid of Portugal, in crisis with the Foot and Mouth Disease
The president also asked for to the government of Portugal to facilitate the process of legalization of the Brazilians in the country initiated in July of 2003.[…]
[…]he asked that the Portuguese authorities exempt poor Brazilian immigrants of the payment of the relative fines to be in the country after expired the tourist visa - the fines are in average of 600 euros (about R$ 1,8 a thousand) for person. "I have a request
. “That Portugal can pardon the debt as pardons the debts of the poor countries.""
[...]”I ask that [Portugal] helps to facilitate the agreement between the Mercosul and the European Union, […]”
[...]In the afternoon, president Lula and the Portuguese president, Jorge Sampaio, awarded the Camões Prize to the [Brazilian] writer Lygia Fagundes Telles. It is the main prize of the Portuguese language literature, it came with a check of 100 thousand euros.”
100000 Euros = 260190 Brazilian Reais
http://www.bbc.co.uk/portuguese/reporterbbc/story/2005/10/051013_jaircoletivacg.shtml
>>>it was more easy to send the children of the rich trading Portuguese for the universities of the metropolis.<<<
The rich traders were Portuguese the poor ones were Brazilians. That was a brilliant comment!!!!
“The country has the world's fourth largest student population in the tertiary sector and the number of university students has grown by around a fifth in the past five years to 3 million. However, only 8% of 25 to 64-year-olds have attended university, and campaigners say bias in the system prevents black pupils and those educated in state schools from securing a place.
According to the Institute of Applied Economic Research (IPEA), the average black Brazilian possesses five years of education compared with the eight years accumulated by a white Brazilian, and is also two and a half times poorer.
Last year 65% of university students were educated at private secondary schools and two out of three were drawn from the wealthiest 20% of the population.”
http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/worldwide/story/0,9959,1012157,00.html
Viviane wrote:
>>>Somente em 1920 surge a Universidade do Rio de Janeiro, hoje Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro, que reunia os cursos superiores da cidade, a saber: a Escola Politécnica, a Faculdade de Medicina e a Faculdade de Direito - que surgira a partir da fusão da Faculdade Livre de Direito e da Faculdade de Ciências Jurídicas e Sociais. O decreto que oficializa a universidade é o de nº 14.343, de 7 de setembro de 1920<<<
>>>Only in 1920 appears the University of Rio de Janeiro, today called Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro, it congregated the superior courses of the city: the Polytechnical School, the College of Medicine and the Law school - it resulted from the merging of the Faculty Livre de Direito and the Faculty de Ciências Jurídicas e Sociais.<<<
Your University is the merging of a group of schools and colleges that were opened a long time ago.
It took you from 1822 to 1912, about 90 years to open a University??? Just to merge the schools??? What were you doing in the mean time? Fighting for an empire?
>>>1st university in Brazil: 1912 (opened by Brazilians, not by Portuguese)
1st university in Peru: National University of San Marcos, 1551 (opened by Spanish)
1st university in Mexico: National Autonomous University of Mexico, 1551 (opened by Spanish)
Portuguese people never invested culturally in Brazil. Spanish DID invest heavily in its overseas territories.<<<
Complain to your Universities that give the wrong information to the public…It seems you do not want to recognize them as universities…
“Largo São Francisco is a traditional Law School located in São Paulo, Brazil, founded by Brazilian regent Dom Pedro I in 1827. It is claimed to be the first university in Brazil, although two other academic institutions, specifically from Olinda and Manaus, also dispute such title.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largo_S%C3%A3o_Francisco
Alison is tells lies. 1st university in Brazil was opened in the 20th century, according to Encarta 2001 (Brazilian translation).
Alison tells lies. 1st university in Brazil was opened in the 20th century, according to Encarta 2001 (Brazilian translation), which is 400 years too late, compared with universities in Mexico, Peru or Santo Domingo (in today's Republica Dominicana)
«Last year 65% of university students were educated at private secondary schools and two out of three were drawn from the wealthiest 20% of the population.” »
Rather than blaming the Portuguese of things for 150 years or more ago, isn't it a shame that now you control Brazil yourselves, it is still the poor, through their heavily taxed salaries ,that pay for the rich, who pay relatively little( dão um jeitinho), to get their education?
"Never utter these words: 'I do not know this, therefore it is false.' One must study to know; know to understand; understand to judge."
~ Apothegm of Narda
Blame the indians they never opened a university before the arrival of the Portuguese in 1500. They never invested in Brazil. Europe had many Universities South America none :*)
• University of Bologna, Italy – founded 1088
• University of Paris, France – founded 1150
• University of Oxford, England – founded before 1167
• University of Palencia, Spain – founded 1212
• University of Lisbon, Portugal – founded 1290
• University of Lérida – founded 1300
• Charles University of Prague, Czech Republic – founded 1348
• Jagiellonian University, Krakow, Poland – founded 1364
• University of Vienna, Austria – founded 1365
• University of Pécs, Hungary – founded 1367
• University of Erfurt, Germany – founded 1379
• University of St Andrews, Scotland – founded 1413 by papal bull
• University of Leuven, Belgium – founded 1425
• Istanbul University, Turkey – founded 1453
• University of Basel, Switzerland – founded 1460
• University of Bratislava (Universitas Istropolitana), Slovakia – founded 1465
• University of Uppsala, Sweden – founded 1477
• University of Copenhagen, Denmark – founded 1479
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_university
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''Mas um mesmo texto lido em voz alta por um brasileiro e por um
português vai soar completamente diferente, ou melhor; difrente! Aliás, faça você mesmo a experiência: tente tirar a letra de uma música cantada por um cantor ou uma cantora da "terrinha" e veja como é difícil! E por incrível que pareça, um dos principais obstáculos para a
difusão no Brasil do cinema feito em Portugal é justamente.., A língua — além das dificuldades de
distribuição, ligadas ao quase monopólio do cinema americano. Como os brasileiros têm dificuldades em entender o português de Portugal, e como ficaria no mínimo estranho colocar legendas em filmes portugueses, o resultado é que praticamente nunca se vê filme
português nos cinemas daqui. Temos a impressão de que Portugal não produz cinema, o que é falso: há bons cineastas portugueses, um dos quais, Manuel d'Oliveira, é reconhecido internacionalmente como um grande diretor.''
MARCOS ARAÚJO BAGNO em *Preconceito lingüístico*
“O presidente da República, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, e o primeiro-ministro de Portugal, José Sócrates, divulgaram na quinta-feira, dia 13, na cidade do Porto, declaração conjunta que contempla diversos itens de interesse educacional. Os dois principais são a criação do Instituto Machado de Assis, no Brasil, e a promoção da língua portuguesa na era digital.[...]
O instituto será criado sob a orientação do Instituto Camões, de Portugal, com coordenação do MEC. Serão parceiros o Ministério das Relações Exteriores e a Academia Brasileira de Letras. [...]
“O primeiro-ministro de Portugal elogiou a intenção do Brasil de criar o Instituto Machado de Assis, entidade que buscará promover a língua portuguesa e a cultura lusófona”, destaca o texto da declaração conjunta. “Trata-se de uma instituição que proporcionará, também, às entidades portuguesas competentes, designadamente o Instituto Camões, um parceiro privilegiado nessa área.””
“The president of the [Brazilian] Republic, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, and the Prime Minister of Portugal, Jose Sócrates, announced on Thursday 13, in the city of Oporto, a joint declaration that contemplates diverse items of educational interest. The two main ones are the creation of the Institute Machado de Assis, in Brazil, and the promotion of the Portuguese language in the digital age.[... ]
The institute will be created under the orientation of the Institute Camões, of Portugal, with coordination of the MEC. The partners will be the Department of state and the Brazilian Academy of Letters [... ]
"The first-minister of Portugal praised the intention of Brazil of creating the Institute Machado de Assis, entity that it will aim the promotion of the Portuguese language and the lusófone culture ", emphasizes the text of the joint declaration. "It is an institution that it will provide, also, to the competent Portuguese entities, namely the Institute Camões, a privileged partner in this area."”
http://www.cbl.org.br/content.php?recid=2876
http://www2.mre.gov.br/dai/b_port_148_4876.htm
http://www.mre.gov.br/portugues/imprensa/nota_detalhe.asp?ID_RELEASE=3305
Bla-bla-bla bonita essa.
Depois dizem que Brazileiro e Portugues não se entendem.
Vai dar emprego para quem não precisa e fora disso não vai dar em nada. Vê a ajuda que Timor recebe neste aspecto.
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