Lets: Ich auch nicht -- ich liebe Deutsch. :)
French vs German vs Spanish? Difficulty & Usefulness?
Obwohl die Struktur der deutschen Sprache zwar kompliziert ist, ist sie auch meistens sehr logisch und systematisch. Ich glaube deshalb nicht, dass diese Sprache ganz so schwierig ist, wie es sich viele Deutsche einbilden. Es gibt sicherlich viele Sprachen auf der Welt, die viel schwerer zu erlernen sind als Deutsch.
Lets: Englisch -- und deine? :)
Neptune: Gut gesagt. Das ist ganz meine Meinung. :)
Deutsch ist auch sehr wichtig in der Welt (see my other post)!
Grüße aus New York,
Libelle
Neptune: Gut gesagt. Das ist ganz meine Meinung. :)
Deutsch ist auch sehr wichtig in der Welt (see my other post)!
Grüße aus New York,
Libelle
Hi!
Really funny to read, how this discussion gets out of hand :)
But this is no competition which language is the best! (Btw it's very subjective anyway).
So how can you decide about which language learning next?
Easy: You'll need a motivation. If you like FR/DE/ES, learn it.
If you are quite unsure, here are some ideas:
It dependes very much on what you're planning to do. If you want to work in China, learn Mandarin. If you have a job in Germany, lern German. Sure! That's obvious :)
But if you don't know it at all, you could think about this:
You live in America and your 1st language is English. You need yet another language only for your vacations? I would choose Spanish or maybe French.
Otherwise Spanish is always useful in America because these are the big 2 language of America.
It's another thing if you want to work in Europe. I'm european myself so that I know what I'm talking about.
In Europe you have way more language than in America on smaller area.
Nearly every of them is only spoken in "it's own region". So it's really tough to decide. The 3 working languages of the EU are English, French and German. So I would definitely choose one of them. English doesn't count for you :) => learn French or German.
If you only wanna make an "Euro Trip" you will get along with English.
Every pupil in Europe has to learn English and a 2. language. So we have a very different view concernig this issue. "In varietate concordia" :)
Why only learn one language? Sure, as an English native you don't have to learn a foreign language at all. But your brain will get it, I'm sure :)
I learned English, Latin, French and Spanish in school and I'm a German nativ. That's diversity.
Try to imagine how it'd be if nobody outside the US understood English an you'd have to learn Chinese to communicate on the world market and to get a good job. You would be very happy if a chinese man of business -visiting you in the USA- spoke to you in English even you where able to speak Chinese (man, what a complicated sentence). Anyway: Maybe you would like him more than other competitors. In either case you would smile the whole day :) So that's how it feels like to be a non-english nativ.
Anyway: language diversity is very important and we don't really wanna have only one dominating language in the world, do we?
That's our motto in Europe. So go out and study. Have fun!
Greetings, your EU-fan.
Really funny to read, how this discussion gets out of hand :)
But this is no competition which language is the best! (Btw it's very subjective anyway).
So how can you decide about which language learning next?
Easy: You'll need a motivation. If you like FR/DE/ES, learn it.
If you are quite unsure, here are some ideas:
It dependes very much on what you're planning to do. If you want to work in China, learn Mandarin. If you have a job in Germany, lern German. Sure! That's obvious :)
But if you don't know it at all, you could think about this:
You live in America and your 1st language is English. You need yet another language only for your vacations? I would choose Spanish or maybe French.
Otherwise Spanish is always useful in America because these are the big 2 language of America.
It's another thing if you want to work in Europe. I'm european myself so that I know what I'm talking about.
In Europe you have way more language than in America on smaller area.
Nearly every of them is only spoken in "it's own region". So it's really tough to decide. The 3 working languages of the EU are English, French and German. So I would definitely choose one of them. English doesn't count for you :) => learn French or German.
If you only wanna make an "Euro Trip" you will get along with English.
Every pupil in Europe has to learn English and a 2. language. So we have a very different view concernig this issue. "In varietate concordia" :)
Why only learn one language? Sure, as an English native you don't have to learn a foreign language at all. But your brain will get it, I'm sure :)
I learned English, Latin, French and Spanish in school and I'm a German nativ. That's diversity.
Try to imagine how it'd be if nobody outside the US understood English an you'd have to learn Chinese to communicate on the world market and to get a good job. You would be very happy if a chinese man of business -visiting you in the USA- spoke to you in English even you where able to speak Chinese (man, what a complicated sentence). Anyway: Maybe you would like him more than other competitors. In either case you would smile the whole day :) So that's how it feels like to be a non-english nativ.
Anyway: language diversity is very important and we don't really wanna have only one dominating language in the world, do we?
That's our motto in Europe. So go out and study. Have fun!
Greetings, your EU-fan.
Deutsch ist die leichteste Sprache für Englisch-Muttersprachler.
Die Vokabeln sind leicht, die Grammatik ist nicht so leicht :)
Die Vokabeln sind leicht, die Grammatik ist nicht so leicht :)
From a Russian point of view:
All-Russia population census 2002: language and number of people who learn it/or have already learnt:
English 6 955 315
German 2 895 147
French 705 217
Spanish 111 900
Japanese 24 787
Total Russian population is about 145 200 000 people.
The real situation (at least in Russia) is that the only one language you need mostly for getting better job is english, coz all other languages are absolutley useless. I learnt French in university, some of my friends German, others learnt Spanish, but none of us could find any application of these knowledge, nobody needs it, even English unless you travel abroad, but in all tourist places with high percentage of Russians, locals speak Russian, like in Prague or in Turkey, so English is becoming also not so important.
All-Russia population census 2002: language and number of people who learn it/or have already learnt:
English 6 955 315
German 2 895 147
French 705 217
Spanish 111 900
Japanese 24 787
Total Russian population is about 145 200 000 people.
The real situation (at least in Russia) is that the only one language you need mostly for getting better job is english, coz all other languages are absolutley useless. I learnt French in university, some of my friends German, others learnt Spanish, but none of us could find any application of these knowledge, nobody needs it, even English unless you travel abroad, but in all tourist places with high percentage of Russians, locals speak Russian, like in Prague or in Turkey, so English is becoming also not so important.
Libelle: Englisch is auch meine Muttersprache :)
Guest: Ich hätte gedacht, dass für Englisch Muttersprachler Hollandisch und die skandinavischen Sprachen noch leichter wären als Deutsch. Ich kann mir aber da natürlich nicht sicher sein, da Deutsch meine einzige Fremdsprache ist.
Guest: Ich hätte gedacht, dass für Englisch Muttersprachler Hollandisch und die skandinavischen Sprachen noch leichter wären als Deutsch. Ich kann mir aber da natürlich nicht sicher sein, da Deutsch meine einzige Fremdsprache ist.
Gast,
Das stimmt! Die Wörter sind gar nicht schwierig für Leute dessen Muttersprache Englisch ist (wie ich), aber die Grammatik kann sehr kompliziert sein :)
z.B:
Dem Mann habe ich einen Kuchen gegeben.
Zuerst denkt man "dem Mann" bedeutet Nominativ oder sowas, aber kein Glück.... :)
Deshalb mag ich die Herausforderung, die Deutsch gibt...
Ich bin sicher, daß man viele Fehler in meinen Posts finden kann :)
Na ja, ich lerne...
Das stimmt! Die Wörter sind gar nicht schwierig für Leute dessen Muttersprache Englisch ist (wie ich), aber die Grammatik kann sehr kompliziert sein :)
z.B:
Dem Mann habe ich einen Kuchen gegeben.
Zuerst denkt man "dem Mann" bedeutet Nominativ oder sowas, aber kein Glück.... :)
Deshalb mag ich die Herausforderung, die Deutsch gibt...
Ich bin sicher, daß man viele Fehler in meinen Posts finden kann :)
Na ja, ich lerne...
Libelle Reiher : lettisch ;)
Neptune: bin ich mit Dir totall einverstanden: es gibt mehrere Europäiche sprachen, z. B. französisch, polnisch usw., die viel komplizierter wie deutsch sind...ich nehme an, auch meine Mutterschprache ;)
Neptune: bin ich mit Dir totall einverstanden: es gibt mehrere Europäiche sprachen, z. B. französisch, polnisch usw., die viel komplizierter wie deutsch sind...ich nehme an, auch meine Mutterschprache ;)
All you have to know about "Europeans and Language"
http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_237.en.pdf
@Neptune: Geschriebenes Holländisch kann ich sogar verstehen, aber wenn es gesprochen wird leider gar nicht. Wahrscheinlich ist Holländisch auch nicht so schwer für Engländer/Amerikaner.
@Libelle: Du hast recht! Wenn man die Fälle nicht gewöhnt ist, kann es schwierig sein. Aber leider gibt es so etwas ja in fast jeder Sprache. Der Vorteil ist, dass die Satzstellung nicht so wichtig ist (im Gegensatz zu Englisch)
z.B.:
Der Hund beisst den Mann - den Mann beisst der Hund
The dog bites the man - the man bites the dog
(you should not switch that in english = Der Mann beisst den Hund :))
Btw: Euer Deutsch ist echt super!!
http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_237.en.pdf
@Neptune: Geschriebenes Holländisch kann ich sogar verstehen, aber wenn es gesprochen wird leider gar nicht. Wahrscheinlich ist Holländisch auch nicht so schwer für Engländer/Amerikaner.
@Libelle: Du hast recht! Wenn man die Fälle nicht gewöhnt ist, kann es schwierig sein. Aber leider gibt es so etwas ja in fast jeder Sprache. Der Vorteil ist, dass die Satzstellung nicht so wichtig ist (im Gegensatz zu Englisch)
z.B.:
Der Hund beisst den Mann - den Mann beisst der Hund
The dog bites the man - the man bites the dog
(you should not switch that in english = Der Mann beisst den Hund :))
Btw: Euer Deutsch ist echt super!!
**I said:
<<Hispanophones keep citing their 400 million speakers of Spanish; then why is it a fact that:
"There are 200 million speakers of German worldwide. German is the most frequently studied language in the world after English and Japanese. Worldwide there are currently 20 million students of German. Of these, 13 million are in Europe, Eastern Europe and the former USSR, where it is the most commonly used second language. In the United States there are 600,000 students learning German. In Japan, 68% of students study German."
?
By their logic, there should be twice as many people learning Spanish in the world as German. So why are English, Japanese, and German the most studied language in the world? Bet the Hispanophones will have NO ANSWER for this and keep saying that it's the population of the speakers that is so important.>>
**Anti-Sander said:
<<Libelle, why are you a so distasteful human being ?>>
My point is made... Vielen Dank :)
Grüße,
Libelle
<<Hispanophones keep citing their 400 million speakers of Spanish; then why is it a fact that:
"There are 200 million speakers of German worldwide. German is the most frequently studied language in the world after English and Japanese. Worldwide there are currently 20 million students of German. Of these, 13 million are in Europe, Eastern Europe and the former USSR, where it is the most commonly used second language. In the United States there are 600,000 students learning German. In Japan, 68% of students study German."
?
By their logic, there should be twice as many people learning Spanish in the world as German. So why are English, Japanese, and German the most studied language in the world? Bet the Hispanophones will have NO ANSWER for this and keep saying that it's the population of the speakers that is so important.>>
**Anti-Sander said:
<<Libelle, why are you a so distasteful human being ?>>
My point is made... Vielen Dank :)
Grüße,
Libelle
An Neptune: Toll! Woher kommst du denn, wenn ich mal fragen darf? :)
An Letts: Ach, das macht Sinn :) Ich bin auch sicher, daß deine Muttersprache schwieriger als Deutsch ist!
An Rabyte: vielen Dank! Die Informationen, die du mit uns geteilt hast, sind sehr interessant... Und auch, natürlich, sachlich.
Grüße,
Libelle
An Letts: Ach, das macht Sinn :) Ich bin auch sicher, daß deine Muttersprache schwieriger als Deutsch ist!
An Rabyte: vielen Dank! Die Informationen, die du mit uns geteilt hast, sind sehr interessant... Und auch, natürlich, sachlich.
Grüße,
Libelle
@Libelle
Thanks a lot! I hope my long posting was understandable somehow.
I'm very impressed: Your german seems to be faultless. Wie kommt es, dass du so gut Deutsch sprichst? In New York spricht man doch Englisch oder nicht? :D
Btw this is an very active forum - cool
Viele Grüße aus Bonn
Rabyte
Thanks a lot! I hope my long posting was understandable somehow.
I'm very impressed: Your german seems to be faultless. Wie kommt es, dass du so gut Deutsch sprichst? In New York spricht man doch Englisch oder nicht? :D
Btw this is an very active forum - cool
Viele Grüße aus Bonn
Rabyte