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Portuguese, the most successfull language in the world!
Gringo
You realy do know Portugal and much more, hats off.
Even though I don't agree with this statement that Portugal has the oldest borders. Macau was given up in April 1999, this means the borders changed
and not to mention 1975.
Não leves a mal mas eu tinha de realçar este ponto.
Thanks, you are also doing great :)
««Even though I don't agree with this statement that Portugal has the oldest borders.»»
Of Europe and in Europe. It is not about colonies only about main land Portugal. Só Portugal continental, nem o insular está a ser comentado. Actually it was Viriatum who gave the answer about the borders.
Ainda não encontrei mas lembro de alguma coisa sobre isso.
Já agora de onde vems? Eu sou da cidade sem sotaque.
O teu teu Inglish é de primeira class (se ofende, mais uma vez não tomas a mal, eu não tomo alem de ser a minha primeira lingua)
Yep, Gringo's right.
If Pluricontental Portugal, as Salazar called it was an issue here, I would not refer to Portugal as being the oldest Nation in Europe and in the World (by inherence), but as being the modern Empire that lasted longer (since the taking of Ceuta in 1415, till even today, fore Portugal is still sovereign over Madeira and Azores)!
Don't mix things up, please.
Pluricontental Portugal is NOT being portraied on my posts.
And concerning Macau... That Territory wasn't given up, like the former colonies (Angola, Mozambique, Guinea-Bissau, Cape Verde and S. Tomé and Princípe) were.
In Macau's case, there was a Political Agreement with the Chinese Dictatorship, setting a date for that Sovereignty change, with plenty of clauses regarding the keeping of the Essencial Freedoms and Rights of all Macau Citizens, that were maintained untouched, exactly the same they already had under Portuguese Administration.
Even the maintenance of the use of the Portuguese toponíhmia, Language, Police procedures, Civil Servants was safeguarded.
Macau was given to the Portuguese in the 16th century, by the Empreror of China, in appreciation of great services rendered to China (protecting them from Japanese invasion and japanese pirates).
At least that's what History officially states, though I pretty much suspect silk and spices trading was the true reason behind this.
Different than the English taking of Hong-Kong, which they basicly stole from China, in order to control all Opium traffic in the region...
So, as you can see, Portugal did not give Macau up!
The colonies, we did give up, yes; there was never a descolonization process as all braindead politicians in Portugal claim... There was a massive escape from the colonies, a shameful one, in which "proheminent" politicians, that include a former prime-minister that later became President, a former Parliament President, made fortunes selling their lands and other assets in Angola to other fellow contrymen, just before the massive escape begun.
They knew what and when was about to happen and just didn't care about anything else than getting their pockets full and scam their fellow contrymen who in weeks returned to Portugal with nothing else than empty suitcases, empty pockets, empty lives, empty everything, im complete and absolute indigency!
But that's another story, that I hope someday, finally, will be properly told and completely revealed!
Cheers
««Ainda não encontrei mas lembro de alguma coisa sobre isso. »»
Ainda não encontraste o quê?
««Já agora de onde vems? Eu sou da cidade sem sotaque. »»
Eu tambem. Mas todas as cidades têm sotaque ;)
Portugal is NOT the oldest state in Europe.
Just mentioned above, there are many countries (like San Marino, Andorra, Hungary, Croatia, Bulgaria and many more) that are older. Portuguese nation did not even exists in1000/1100 a.d., they didn't call themselves ''Portuguese''.
So, saying ''Portugal is the oldest state in Europe'' is a lie
Llorena, I suggest you check page 11.
You'll then be able to understand why Portugal is the Oldest State in Europe and in the World.
Oh...
States you claim to be older than Portugal have had their borders changed, eliminated, rebuilt, redrawn, lost their independence for centuries, became insignificant to the Empires they were absorbed by, had their cultural identity lost for centuries, they're language forbidden from being spoken, etc, etc, etc. Do I need to go on?
This has never happened to Portugal!
Portugal, technically never lost its independence. Portugal only had a Dynastic Union with Castilla-León from 1580 to 1640, when the Portuguese Monarchy was restored.
We remained completely independent in this 60 year period, the Portuguese Language was spoken freely, cultural identity was maintained, Castillian-Lianese nobility had no power whatsoever over the Portuguese Nation, Territorial Integrity was maintained, etc, etc, etc.
When they tried to, with Philip IV of Castilla-León, we simply told them... "You must be kidding us!"
Then we kicked their as**s and sent them back to Castilla-León!
And please keep in mind the concept of State (Nation+Territory).
You're not a State if you have the Nation but you do not have a Territory.
Want a modern example?
The Kurds... They're a Nation, they're not a State, the Kurd Nation is simply spread out through 3 different countries...
Another example is the Jews... They only became a state in 1947, after stealing Palestine's Territories.
Both have legitimate historical claims on those territories, however the jews completely abandoned Judeia, Galileia, Israel, Palestine, then after a bunch of centuries they go and take by force what wasn't their's anymore? What is this? No wonder they're a Terrorist State! How could they not be, building colonates in Palestinian Lands, massacring innocent Palestinians, innocent Lebanese. Know what those are? Crimes of War and Against Humanity!
Sorry about this jew off topic issue, but you can't remain indifferent and surelly not impartial when being confronted with such atrocities!
I can tell.. portuguese is just a big shit! Portuguese spelling and grammar is just a shit... my observation: -dont try learn this language!
Language are maken by us ,humans, so how can we put rules in language and they are broken in some cases? some rules can bronken by other rule and etc... how can i put 2 or MORE characters in my language and they just got equal sunds!? thats not reasonable, logical... others language got this problem too, but this problem in portuguese is worse. I can put here the characters who got simillar sounds: ç, s, ss, sc, c , z, xc. some ones can be two different sounds like "a, z, s", u got to hear the sound once, so u can speak right!! some words dont got a sound.. like "h" ,ridiculous!!! sorry my bad english , i dont got time to learn this laguage cuz my language is too much complicated. LOL...
Im from brazil..
No you are not you scum.
Viriatum your notion of creativity keep stinking. Try again.
My English language is also a big shit.
I am now learning Spanish but it is also a big shit.
Don't try to learn them they are horrible. I will only speak with hand signs.
Gringo, then I guess you could say that Portugal doesn't have natural boudaries like Italy, Spain, and France.
a.p.a.m.
The atlantic ocean is a natural boundary .
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