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Portuguese, the most successfull language in the world!
I am from Galicia, and although most Portugese deny it, Portugal WAS part of Galicia, and then Portugal became independant.... The Portugese language came from Gallego infact.
This whole thread is a bit arrogant. If Portugese is the worlds most successfull language, then why is it only spoken in two countries, or why isn't it an international standard like english? Why isn't it tought in most schools like spanish and french?
I have nothing agains portugese or portugal, but I have a problem with arrogant asses.
Italian & Spanish are the best/closest languages to derive from Latin.
««I am from Galicia, and although most Portugese deny it, Portugal WAS part of Galicia, and then Portugal became independant.... The Portugese language came from Gallego infact. »»
No, Portugal was not part of Galicia. That would be saying Galicia was part of Portugal.The county of Portucale became independent and was is southern Galicia. Portugal is a lot bigger than N.Portugal.
««The Portugese language came from Gallego infact.»»
No, Portuguese and Galicia came from Galician-Portuguese. No one speaks Galician-Portuguese anymore.
"O galego-portugués é a lingua medieval falada no noroeste da Península Ibérica que deu lugar ó galego e portugués actuais." Wikipedia
You're portugese I assume...
Portugal was the southern region of Galicia, so therefore it was part of Galicia. It split and it becameknow as portugal. When portugal used to be part of galicia, they spoke a common language which was the Language of Galicia, so therefore the portugse language came from the language spoken in Galicia.
Wrong once again...
Portugal was NEVER part of Galicia...
Remember this goes back to Lusitania days...
There was Galécia and Lusitania...
Both Celtic, naturally.
As for the Language, it's not Portuguese that "comes" from Galician...
The original language was Galaico-Portuguese...
What does this mean? That there was only 1 language and that later it evolved into 2 separate languages: Galician and Portuguese!
The Northern part of Portugal you claim to having been part of Galicia, never was. Was once part of Galécia, yes, but never since after the roman occupation ended, was it Galicia!
We were a separate autonomous territory that became independent with Afonso Henriques, in 1128 (only recognised by the Pope in 1143), after an attempt by Theresa, ilegitimate daughter of Afonso VI of Castilla, mother of Afonso Henriques to marry a Galician Nobleman and unite what was the Condatum Portucalensis with Galicia, after the death of Count D. Henry of Borgundy.
This caused Afonso Henriques to rebel against her mother and cousin Afonso VII, proclaiming the independence of the Kingdom of Portugal in 1128!
As for the "This whole thread is a bit arrogant. If Portugese is the worlds most successfull language, then why is it only spoken in two countries" >>> It's spoken OFFICIALLY in Portugal, Brazil, Mozambique, Angola, Guinea-Bissau, Cape-Verde, S. Tomé and Príncipe, East-Timor. Then it's also spoken in Macau, also officially, but as a 2nd language, since Mandarin became the mandatory language after the Administration of the Territory of Macau changed to China, overtaking Cantonese, which is the language spoken in that area. Portuguese is also an official languagw within Europen Union functioning...
As for the "or why isn't it an international standard like english? Why isn't it tought in most schools like spanish and french?" >>>Simple... The Portuguese Government can't afford it on a global level, shamefully! But know that Portuguese is tought in France, Germany, UK, Canada, US, Belgium, Australia, India, Russia, and others. On the other hand I don't have any knowledge of Galician being tought anywhere else other than in Galicia and even then with Castillian accent instead of the traditional Galician accent! It's a shame, cause I do love Galicia, Galicians and Galician, but I hate seeing still under Castillian dominance, even on the spoken level!
As for the "I have nothing agains portugese or portugal, but I have a problem with arrogant asses. ">>> I return the compliment and add... So do I!!!
Concerning "Amerigo Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:57 am GMT
Italian & Spanish are the best/closest languages to derive from Latin."...
False!
The closest thing to the original Latin, could be Romanian, as they still have plenty of vocables with latinlike pronunciation.
But there is no such thing as "the closest" language to Latin.
What happened to Latin was it became a dead language, because after the collapse of the roman empire, all celtic dialects had already merged with Latin.
This resulted in the appearance of several languages, according to the what dialects were spoken by what tribes in their geographical location, for they no longer needed to use Latin as their language, the occupant had already left.
Also don't forget that it wasn't a 1 way romanization process. Quite the contrary. The romans were profuse in adopting native customs and behaviours. They also learned the local dialects, in part motivated by trading interests. It was the quickest way for the celtic tribes they traded with to gain their trust.
So all of them began speaking the local dialects instead of Latin.
The result? Italian, Romanian, Galaico-Portuguese (later Galician and Portuguese), Castillian, Lianese, Catalán, Aragonés, French, Genovese, Sicilian, Lombardese, Napolitan, RetRomaniche (spoken in Switzerland), etc...
Which one is the closest "thing" to derive from Latin? None!
Romanian is made up....(frankly, Romanian sounds like half-latin and half-russian.)
Italian and Spanish are the most professed and studied & closest to Latin.
case closed* and discussed ad nauseam.
Brennus,
Spanish:
Mayor-major (big, bigger, larger, greater & elder )
Denso-densu-densus (thick, dense & solid)
Saludar-salutar-salutare (greet, hail & hullo)
Soplo-sopleo-sopteo (avise or tip someone)
&
the only word that spanish wouldn't or doesn't have is "ostea". Those Romanian words you've inscribed on here look choppy and distorted. Mare for Majoris? Mare/Maris- in latin originally meant "sea" NOT "big. Also, -salutare- in Latin (if I'm not mistaken) meant "to greet or to salute"
Hi again... so, portuguese are a big shit! but i can understand spanish and i never learn this another big shit language... i like english more than portuguese, but thats another shit language.
I will try mandarin, Chinese people will dominate the world and i want know what they are talking about when are invading my country!!
Dont try fight with chinneses, cuz they know kong-fu!
I love Ono Lisa so much, I like Bossa Nova too. I adore this music style.
False!
The closest thing to the original Latin, could be Romanian, as they still have plenty of vocables with latinlike pronunciation.
But there is no such thing as "the closest" language to Latin.
What happened to Latin was it became a dead language, because after the collapse of the roman empire, all celtic dialects had already merged with Latin.
This resulted in the appearance of several languages, according to the what dialects were spoken by what tribes in their geographical location, for they no longer needed to use Latin as their language, the occupant had already left.
Also don't forget that it wasn't a 1 way romanization process. Quite the contrary. The romans were profuse in adopting native customs and behaviours. They also learned the local dialects, in part motivated by trading interests. It was the quickest way for the celtic tribes they traded with to gain their trust.
So all of them began speaking the local dialects instead of Latin.
The result? Italian, Romanian, Galaico-Portuguese (later Galician and Portuguese), Castillian, Lianese, Catalán, Aragonés, French, Genovese, Sicilian, Lombardese, Napolitan, RetRomaniche (spoken in Switzerland), etc...
Which one is the closest "thing" to derive from Latin? None!
That is the answer to Aldvs Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:30 am GMT
Romanian is made up....(frankly, Romanian sounds like half-latin and half-russian.)
Italian and Spanish are the most professed and studied & closest to Latin.
case closed* and discussed ad nauseam.
Again the same thing... Spanish is NOT a language, it's a Nationality!
Concerning "Im from brazil... Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:24 am GMT
Hi again... so, portuguese are a big shit! but i can understand spanish and i never learn this another big shit language... i like english more than portuguese, but thats another shit language.(...)" >>>> It's someone with a shithole for a mouth!
Hey Viriatum, about "Spanish is Not a language..." sorry for that, we say spanish cuz in portuguese we can use two words for that, "castelhano/ castilian" or "espanhol"(this one is generally common spoken) so, Viriatum, how much languages u speak? Do u know languages or just know its history?
Romanian is grotesque looking when 'written' and 'sounds' like half russian with an latin twist when spoken. Moreover, It borrowed extensively from French and Italian. So what am I to say?? Romanian is pretty much an artificial language and in the next 50 years or so it'll be no more then a clergy language of Romania. They'll probably speak
"russian or german" again; that's my take. Good-day
Listen to this romanian clip....(which suprisingly sounds similar to Portuguese)
http://static.unilang.org/resources/pronscript/sonidos/soundfiles/sonido_ro.mp3
I don't think it sounds like Portuguese, now Catalan does sound like Portuguese.
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