Galician and Portuguese
''Tempos atrás, as falas em desenhos animados, especialmente nas traduções para o Português Brasileiro, apresentavam enunciados que soavam extremamente artificiais, como: ''Você o está
machucando! Solte-o!'' Esta fala seria expressa de forma mais natural, mais adequada ao registro falado, algo como: ''Você tá machucando ele! Solta ele!'' Percebe-se, então, que a linguagem atualmente utilizada nas várias mídias vem levando em conta os diferentes registros lingüísticos que diferenciam a oralidade e a escrita, adequando os enunciados a
cada gênero específico e a cada contexto.''
fonte:
http://letramagna.com/clitico.pdf
é certo que ambas as versões da lingua Portuguesa são diferentes, mas as duas são indiscutivelmente Português, quer vc queira quer não. E isso é um fato, aceita ele. Se Fosse assim também teriamos, Inglês,Americano;Canadense,Australiano,Cubano,Argentino,Etc.
The funniest:
"Apenas no século XVIII, houve um ‘aportuguesamento’ intenso da língua falada nas grandes cidades, quando Napoleão Bonaparte, transferiu-se para o Brasil com toda a sua tropa."
Very interesting! Napoleon moved to Brazil with his army??? So, because of Napoleon moving to Brazil the Brazilians started to speak more Portuguese? That Napoleon was great he even taught Portuguese.
"Temos cocô gelado"
How nice... "we have iced poo." I am sure this attracts lots of customers. This Brazilian grammar is great.
Paraty ..... Very good examples haha
gringo, tu num saka nadika da silva mermo
poka fora, viu? seu abilolado
Lyanne Hernandez: "Poor people from favelas have Portuguese surnames. Middle class and upper class people have German, Italian, Spanish and Japanese surname."
Brazil is known all over the world because of its "poor people from the favelas" and not because of the Italians from Sao Paulo. Many of Brazil's football stars come from the favelas, and most of them have african and indian descent. And most of them have portuguese names! You want to put the poor people from favelas at the same level you put the people of "poor and backward Portugal"!
The discriminatory differentiation you make between the people from favelas and those with German, Italian, etc. ancestry in Brazil is a typical example of the racism that still reigns in your country. Especially in the middle and upper classes. No wonder that Brazil is also known internationally as Latin Americas's most racist country.
««No wonder that Brazil is also known internationally as Latin Americas's most racist country. »»
You mean social discrimination. People are very racially mixed in Brazil, contrary to what happens in other countries. The behaviour of Lyanne Hernandez (and all her other names) is typical of people with no education. Educated people do not make the kind of (hillarious) mistakes she does. You will never see a rich or middle class educated person writting other than Brazilian Portuguese not a "Brazilian language".
Brazilians are immigrating to Portugal because they know they will have a better life, many risk staying illigal. So make no confusion. There are many, many good people in Brazil that do not share the views of Lyanne. Brazil is so big, of course you will find more idiots than you will in a country with only 10 or 40 million people, mainly in the net. It is a matter of percentages.
Further to add to the last two posts, it also needs to be said the Lyanne, or whoever she or he really is, is the epitome of ignorance. All poor people everywhere are human beings and deserve dignity. To categorize the worth of human beings on the basis of their material wealth, or lack thereof, is just plain cruel, discriminatory and ignorant. People who think along these lines are scary and dangerous.
And in case Lyanne or anyone else in this forum forgot, it is the poor Brazilians who contributed greatly to the culture of Brasil i.e., soccer (almost all of Brazil's star soccer players started out very poor, many from the favelas, before they became famous). And then there's samba, carnaval, etc., with roots in Salvador da Bahia (where there was always rampant poverty). How dare anyone put down Brazil's poor people. Let's stop re-victimizing the poor; after all, it is the so called Brazilian 'upper-class' that keeps them there. The following is a quote I found while browsing a website about the Brazilian favelas:
"There are no government schools in the favelas, there’s usually only home made water supply and sewer system and the electric is acquired by gato (a ‘cat’ hook that’s thrown onto the electric supply to siphon power). Those who are born and who die in favelas aren’t recorded – for the Brazilian government, it’s a crime to be poor."
It nauseates me when some Brazilians in this forum exclaim 'Meu Brasil, Brasileiro'. Are the poor people from the favelas not Brazilians too? Or is Brasil only for the arrogant 'middle-upper class' Brazilians who basque in the glory of the hard earned cultural accomplishments of their poorer compatriots? Let's not forget that in Brazil there are many poor Italians, Germans and other immigrants too. Stereotyping is dangerous. And one can never elevate his/herself by putting others down. It is not Portugal that is the enemy. I hate to be the messenger of a sobering truth, but it is the Brazilians themselves who are against one another. It is very easy to blame others for our misfortunes in life, but it is also much, much easier not look squarely at ourselves in the mirror and acknowledge our own flaws.
Well, social segregation in Brazil in due to its Portuguese colonialization. Slaves became favelados, masters became the rich, so we have a situation of 2 Brazils: one rich (white), and one poor (black and mixed).
Brazil is often called BELINDIA. Rich Brazilians live like Belgians, while poor Brazilians live like poor people in India. This segregation is also present in language, there is a huge gap between the spoken language and the written language. This diglossia functions as a social-discriminator.
Well, social segregation in Brazil is due to its Portuguese colonialization. Slaves became favelados, masters became the rich, so we have a situation of 2 Brazils: one rich (white), and one poor (black and mixed).
Brazil is often called BELINDIA. Rich Brazilians live like Belgians, while poor Brazilians live like poor people in India. This segregation is also present in language, there is a huge gap between the spoken language and the written language. This diglossia functions as a social-discriminator. The publics schools ''sucessfully'' fail to teach arcaic Portuguese to poor people, so poor people have no chances in getting a decent job or enter a better school since all ''concursos'' have a test in which they test your knowledge of arcaic and formal Portuguese (Unlike in the USA there Americans are not necessarily given an English language (or literature) test when they are aplying for a job))
Marcos what a nonsense! The USA also had slavery; slavery existed all over Europe. What a stupid excuse, blaming others for your own failure.
The abolition was AFTER the independence of Brazil. IF MASTERS became RICH and SLAVES became FAVELADOS it has nothing to do with Portugal; it is the responsibility of BRAZILIANS that were responsible for their own actions.
If the public schools fail to teach blame the MINISTERY OF EDUCATION, Portugal has nothing to do with your teaching problems.
The tests are in Brazilian Portuguese and use the BRAZILIAN standard (the one you call archaic) not the Portuguese one. If your teachers fail to teach is because of their own inability to teach.
In summary YOU FAIL THE TESTS and you blame the Portuguese because you are dumb.
There is something, that maybe you never heard of as it may sound archaic to you, that is called STUDYING.
If you fail your tests is because you DO NOT STUDY. If you blame others is because YOU ARE IRRESPONSIBLE.
You post is typical of an ignorant and irresponsible person. There are many successful Brazilians that came from favelas. They put hard work, dedication and assume full responsibility for their own actions and their own success. You do not see Ronaldinho blaming Portugal for being rich.
Now don’t say you can’t study because you can not read and write your own language. It is because you do not study that you can not read and write:
You are just dumb.
Nope, Brazilians teachers don't teach Brazilian but Continental Portuguese. Continental Portuguese forms like ''viram-na'' or ''digam-me'' are forced while Brazilian forms are ignored.
You can read more in my book ''Português ou Brasileiro''
''If the public schools fail to teach blame the MINISTERY OF EDUCATION, Portugal has nothing to do with your teaching problems.''
Portugal never opened any university in Brazil during 300 of ruling.
UK opened many in Northern America, and Spained opened many in Central (Mexico, Santo Domingo) and Southern America (Lima).
Portugal never really cared about Brazil. That's why Brazil has equal feeling towards Portugal now.
T +!!!